10 August 2007

Motion Practice 601 #3: KingCast bashes a Tahoe and releases Liko Kenney/Bruce McKay Cruiser-YouTube video that the government didn't want you to see.

Part One
Part Two
Part Three
Part Four
Part Five

The Motion I will insert into the comments section and have placed transcript there.

Listen to McKay's Dr. Mengele-style admonition "You're in a suspicious place at a suspicious time.... Oh, yeah....." right here.

Meanwhile, here are the highlights, and remember State v. Sansalone, 71 Ohio App.3d 284 (1991) about my gal-pal who lawfully resisted an unlawful arrest in that liberal legal bastion State of...... Ohio.

BTW a Tahoe next to a SAAB or a Supra is one big-assed, imposing vehicle, especially when you look at the grille mashing down on you by a cop who has ALREADY violated your Civil Rights, even though the underlying case was dismissed before Judge Cyr got to ruling on it. I just drove past one today, the same colour as McKay's, and I thought, "Damn, why on Earth would McKay do such a thing?"

Because he was one hater cop, that's why. And Reg was right: You SHOULD be allowed to tell a hater cop he's "a real asshole," as long as you don't threaten to physically hurt him, and Liko did NOT do that. Still he got beat down to the ground.


And this is the sort of beat-down that folks like Regina and I could never stand for in a free society; how ironic she should have discovered a damn amphibious Sherman Tank off the coast of Salerno that was used to help liberate Europe while we've got horrific cops like Bruce Mckay running around here sounding (and acting) like the damn SS. Oh, he might have parted his hair on the other side, but take a look at Bruce and Dr. Mengele and the comparison is an apt one; in my opinion McKay just couldn't get away with killing the youth of the North so he preyed on them instead. Ask yourself how Liko would have felt.

I also have it on Good Faith that McKay was a rent deadbeat and started a trash fire so big the fire department had to come and then he refused to pay for it and the landlord was too scared of him to report it. I know who that landlord is, from someone who spoke with him/her directly, BTW. And keep in mind this landlord is a damn ATTORNEY, so if s/he was scared of McKay you know Liko was scared witless. I also heard he left cats in an apartment and they were starving when found. Wonder if the missing use-of-force report was consumed by the blaze. Wonder if any of THAT is in his personnel file. I say let's open the file and "take a look-see..... don't know whatcha' might find." (That's a great line from Palmetto, BTW).

40 comments:

Christopher King said...

21:04:01 - "You can't pull people off the street and put them in handcuffs and drive them around for no reason."

[held: correct, as noted by Judge Cyr].

21:05:46 - "I was sitting in my car resting before
driving home and now you've done this to me for no reason."

[held: correct, as noted by Judge Cyr].

21:11:20
"You're resisting arrest."
"I'm resisting torture. You punched me in the face you hurt my injured neck you hurt both of my arms you hurt both of my legs all because I asked you a question." "You grabbed my testicles, correct?"
"I grabbed your testicles, hell no.
"[McKay laughs, does not say 'yes you did.']"
"You threw me to the ground and put your testicles in my face you fucking faggot."

21:15:00 - "Why am I in handcuffs?" "[Officer Cox or Ball] Because you resisted arrest." "Why was I being arrested, why?" "[Officer Cox or Ball] I don't
understand what the original offense was." "That's
because there is no original offense."

[held: correct,as noted by Judge Cyr].

21:15:30 - "He punched me in the face and you and him both saw him punch me in the face and you both are saying he didn't. I'm being beat up IN HANDCUFFS by 3 adult armed men who all have guns and I have NOTHING."

[held: correct, by common sense].

Christopher King said...

"Your personal life has nothing to do with this blawg...."

The hell it doesn't.

It' a Spirit thing from Regina, to Mother Ann, to Liko, and through so many other people (including some law partners at well-respected firms in Cleveland and in NH) who believe in what I'm doing but have families, or don't want to be on the radar, etc. but who have totally helped me out over the years.

So that would be the answer to former NH AG Arnold's question to Attorney David Horan noted in KingCast short film "OreO" linked in this post when he asks, "who's funding this... constant I take it, association of [his filmaker] with Mr. King?"

Look around, Your Honor. It might be some of the same folks you see at the 19th hole.

Namaste.

debby said...

Just watched the rest of the tape from 03. So tragic.....Liko is clearly so distraught and fearful throughout this entire thing. Not once does an officer give him their name - not once. They cannot give a reason for an original arrest. There is none. Liko did not commit a crime. He was mouthy. This is not a crime.

I will again say, that it must be insured that their be a proper format for the citizen and the PO for minor traffic stops. I do not believe that an officer should be able to withhold information from the driver when asked a reasonable question.

It is pretty wild to see the rest of this tape and how far it went, knowing that after this McKay drove to Liko's house at the same time each night, went to a court hearing for Liko when completely uncalled for and intentionally spoke to him at it.

A person might think that Liko over reacted in 03 but it cannot be denied this kid was frightened and scared as to what would be done to him.

McKay was totally out of line (as a human being at the least) to not let Liko know that back-up was coming on 5/11. If McKay believed that Liko was truly a danger then he sure as hell would have let Liko know back-up had already been called. "Not your choice, Liko"...."Not your choice, Liko". Wow. How do you call McKay neutral after going to court three weeks prior when not involved, giving a warning to F Troop, and not telling Liko there was indeed back-up. He was not even close to neutral.

He was after that kid and it went too far. Liko snapped and we know the rest. Tragic and should be ensured that it will never happen again.

McKay was a predator.

Anonymous said...

funny how all that audio and video works just great; capturing everything inside and outside of the car perfectly in the snowy january dead in the middle of the worst winter since the blizzard of '78...everything works fine; tip top shape...

and on a fine sunny Spring day on percectly flat ground 5/11/07, audio cuts in and out (almost as if uh, edited) video is truncated and released in short sections...
all communication systems go blooey in and out as is conveneint for the
AG edit job...
peculiar no?

the originals need be placed in neutral hands of forensic experts...evidendence tampering and destruction will be IMMEDIATELY obvious to a professional...and they we've got a whole other series of defandants and law suits...starting with Ayotte and monti.

Christopher King said...

Yes McKay was indeed a predator.

Here then, is the draft of the 2003 portion of the Memorandum, or:

Section III(A): Factual Background - 2003.

I. The Unconstitutional Arrests.

In December and January of 2003 there were a series of Unconstitutional arrests at the trail head of Franconia’s Fox Hill Park. The arresting officers’ modus operandi each time was essentially similar, i.e. pull up and turn on the cruiser bar lights and/or blocking in the suspect’s vehicle with the cruiser before or without substantiating any probable cause.

Public Defendant James T. Brooks, with whom the undersigned has spoken, verified that he did author a Motion to Suppress that was used in three (3) such cases, with successful results each time, over the objection of one Bruce McKay.

The cases of State v. Nathan Wright 03-CR-109 and State v. William Miller 03-CR-012, 013, 029 were summarily dismissed by Littleton Municipal Court Judge Peter Cyr finding Civil Rights violations, specifically an Unconstitutional search and seizure. Attachment___

Liko Kenney’s case State v. Kenney 03-CR-197was dismissed by Officer Stephens before the Court ruled on it, but not before a ten (10) week delay in providing the arrest report to Attorney Brooks. Attachment ___

The exact same modus operandi was employed by the arresting officers which included in some fashion using the patrol car to impede or deny egress from the area and lighting up the vehicle with both the Patrol Car head lights and bar-mounted taken down lights

Despite that, and in spite of the fact that Liko told McKay:

20:48:00 "You don't have the right to keep me here without a good reason."

He was taken down -- hard at the direction of McKay -- who instructed the responding officers to cut their sirens for some reason.

Significantly, the driver and passengers in the Wright/Miller cases were smoking marijuana and sending odiferous plumes into the night air as one’s olfactory senses would indicate on close up, whereas Mr. Kenney was not. He was merely resting in his mother’s car, and that is why the possession charges against him were nol-prossed before Judge Cyr could get to it because that would have been a horrible result for the town: A use of force on an Unconstitutional arrest.

II. Missing documents and cruiser transcript evaluation.

A complete copy of the 2003 Fox Hill episode with a chain of custody intact from the Attorney General’s office to the undersigned litigant has been filed with the Court and the Court will find any transcriptions posited in writing in this Motion to be accurate.

That having been said, Plaintiff respectfully asks this Honorable Court to consider that more than six (6) weeks have elapsed since 2 July 2007 when the original KingCast request for supporting documentation that would tend to prove that Bruce McKay had any factual basis for his statement to Liko Kenney that he was “in a suspicious place at a suspicious time.”

Franconia initially attempted to charge overtime and has produced nothing. In the meantime Plaintiff himself acquired the rulings from Judge Cyr
He was taken to the ground by three (3) grown men with guns, and Bruce McKay indicates that there will be a civilian complaint, however the use-of-force report from that incident remains missing. See correspondence file between KingCast and Franconia town and legal officials. Attachment___.

Curiously, McKay claims that he told Liko Kenney his name. However Liko is heard asking his name and continues to address him as “this or that officer” after more law enforcement personnel appear.

The following are almost 100% accurate transcripts of the 2003 cruiser video as provided to the Court which includes an interior discussion heretofore unseen by most of the Free World.

20:48:00 "You don't have the right to keep me here without a good reason."

At 20:54:30: "I am requesting police assistance... You're torturing me... why are you harassing me? Can't you go arrest a drunk at a bar or something?"

Approx 20:55:00 "Get back in your fucking car," says McKay..... "Maybe you need to go back to school......" "You're in a suspicious place at a suspicious time.”

At 21:00:00
"Get on your knees."
"What are you going to kill me?"
"You're going into a cruiser."
"Why, what have I done?"
"I don't know."

21:04:01 - "You can't pull people off the street and put them in handcuffs and drive them around for no reason." [comports with Judge Cyr’s ruling].

21:05:46 - "I was sitting in my car resting before
driving home and now you've done this to me for no reason." [comports with Judge Cyr’s ruling].

21:11:20
"You're resisting arrest."
"I'm resisting torture. You punched me in the face you hurt my injured neck you hurt both of my arms you hurt both of my legs all because I asked you a question." "You grabbed my testicles, correct?"
"I grabbed your testicles, hell no.
"[McKay laughs, does not say 'yes you did.']"
"You threw me to the ground and put your testicles in my face you fucking faggot."



21:15:00 - "Why am I in handcuffs?" "[Officer Cox or Ball] Because you resisted arrest." "Why was I being arrested, why?" "[Officer Cox or Ball] I don't
understand what the original offense was." "That's
because there is no original offense." [comports with Judge Cyr’s ruling].

21:15:30 - "He punched me in the face and you and him both saw him punch me in the face and you both are saying he didn't. I'm being beat up IN HANDCUFFS by 3 adult armed men who all have guns and I have NOTHING."

With all due respect the Court should realize that such is now the mind frame in which Liko Kenney spent the last four (4) years of his life: That of being subjected to an Unconstitutional beat down by Bruce McKay, a man with a gun and a badge and whose full personnel file the town of Franconia is assiduously trying to hide, in direct contravention to developing case law in New Hampshire and well-established Statutory and Decisional Case law in other Jurisdictions, as shall be noted in:

Section IV, Law and Argument.

Charles Duffy said...

http://www.socstjames.com/

Chris this is all I can say at the moment.

I Just got off the phone with my uncle who was a so called priest for the St James Society in South America in 1959. One of their head quarters is based in Boston today.

I asked him if he was part of the link to the Link above.

More so than the love of life, "He said".

AS in the love of Liko kenney an hsi choice of freedom.

He basically said he was working for someone in corporate America. He was there before the bishop of the church got the credit..in 1959

I will try to get the pictures up on my blog. If not, I got enough crap on the catholic religion to start a website.

Why does it seem that our government is starting to become aligned with a form of Christianity.

I thought we fought England and Slaverey of that shit.

Nothing to do with conspiracy but the truth.

The servants of the Pope should be so ashamed.

The servant's OF GOVERNMENT NEED TO BE FLOGGED AND KICKED OUT.

Just need to scan those pictures with the pope if you know what I mean..

The best part is Ive got audible on it from Italy. Via tape recorded ham radio.

Anonymous said...

These videos are comlete BS and too hard to stomach ... fist of all I still do not see where they brought Liko to the car. WHY IS THAT STILL MISSING?

Then later the officer clearly tells Liko the original arrest was for refusing to a search by Mckay ... One interesting note is the ONLY one who says the other two officers are lying about them seeing Mckay punch Liko in the face is Liko. I never hear them deny it an in fact they say nothing when Liko says you watched him do it and did nothing.

It is very clear why Mckay was forced to request leniency on Liko in court. The other two officers would have not allowed him to have Liko sent up for years on this bogus crap.

Funny too that when Liko tells them he has mental issues and is having the worst episode ever right now that they keep asking him again until he says what they want to hear and not have to deal with this.

Lastly I almost feel like saying Mckay deserved what he got .. it was so clear his testicle grabbing comment was for the recording and he sure shut the hell up about it when Liko said it was Mckay who shoved his testicles in his face.

Anonymous said...

Chris,

Something has been nagging at me ever since I read the complete report you posted. Everyone refers to Floyd as the man with no shirt. When did he take it off and wrap it around McKay's arm?
I went back and looked at the 5/11 tape paying careful attention to the cruiser's time clock, and I don't see how someone who is disabled could instruct his son to move the truck closer, hop out of the passenger seat, run over to McKay on the ground, take off his shirt, tie it around McKay's arm and then jump out of the way in the 26 seconds or so between the last shot and when the Supra would have hit McKay. And suppose the car did hit McKay the first time (which I don't believe it did). How long far back did Liko drive before he started forward again. It took 8 seconds of backing up to get from the road to 2 or 3 car lengths into the dirt. I can't imagine that he would have backed up that far, but let's just say that he there was about 12-15 seconds between the two "hits" of McKay. Does anyone really believe that someone who is so disabled that if he isn't walking with a cane he falls into people can move quickly enough to run over to a gun, pick it up, check to see if it's loaded, then go back into the street, crouch down and shoot? Even if he was a trained marksman, his disability certainly should have prevented him from moving that quickly.

And as for the 43 kills ... I know that military trained snipers do keep a record book of their "kills", but I don't think it's a scrapbook. Why did he want the paper so bad the next day. The only thing that comes to mind is that he wanted to keep the article/picture as a souvenir.

Another question that I have is if Shooter Floyd is so diabled, than how was he able to plant treets? According to Junior's statement, they had been to Agway once to get soil to plant trees. I'm not certified as disabled, but I was severely injured in a car accident, and I can't even plant a rose bush.

Just some more things that I can't reconcile about this whole tragic event.

Anon in NJ

Anonymous said...

hmmmmm ... I wonder what an outsider would think of this incident(s) if all the evidence and acts of Mckay where shown or reported right up to the time he emptied his last mace canister.

I think that Liko having eliminate Mckay causes many people only to focus on the "cop killer" aspect. I think if they didn't know Liko shot him they would be saying, "This guy needs to be shot!"

Charles Duffy said...

but let's just say that he there was about 12-15 seconds between the two "hits" of McKay. Does anyone really believe that someone who is so disabled that if he isn't walking with a cane he falls into people can move quickly enough to run over to a gun, pick it up, check to see if it's loaded, then go back into the street, crouch down and shoot? Even if he was a trained marksman, his disability certainly should have prevented him from moving that quickly.
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Very good point.

Chris, The had discovered this blog.

Im a real sob wen it comes to justice.


I can garantor the system is about self supporting interests in the network of Court's and Laws and Law enforcement. Not to forget your social inept probation officers who have an an associates degree in in humanity.

There is some shit that goes wrong in any system.

What the fuck is going wrong in Franconia other than a cop who wanted to be on the beat to fuck with people?

Religion fucks with people, but even that takes 300 years.

Your government fucks with your tomorrow.

In 10 years what do people expect?

1000 people in Franconia for check point Charlie?

Now that's a revolution.

Most of forgot Paul Revere was trying to warn of of something.

Thomas Jefferson tried to warn us again.

Thomas Jefferson's famous words said, WE THE PEOPLE and not your government.

Hey Chris,

Thomas Jefferson Loved all people.

He even slept with his slaves.

AS Chris King can testify to this.

as well as Thomas Jefferson.

Christopher King said...

5:49:

Anonymous said...
These videos are comlete BS and too hard to stomach ... fist of all I still do not see where they brought Liko to the car. WHY IS THAT STILL MISSING?

......You never really see that. We started this production from near the end of the 2003 video that the gov't/Union Leader Joe McQuaid set forward and that is all off-camera to the right.

To others I will respond shortly when I get back into gear....... Damn Olliver just called me and woke my black arse up 'cos you know I had to take a nap after my afternoon chicken & waffles :)

Charles Duffy said...

but let's just say that he there was about 12-15 seconds between the two "hits" of McKay. Does anyone really believe that someone who is so disabled that if he isn't walking with a cane he falls into people can move quickly enough to run over to a gun, pick it up, check to see if it's loaded, then go back into the street, crouch down and shoot? Even if he was a trained marksman, his disability certainly should have prevented him from moving that quickly.
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Very good point.

Chris, The had discovered this blog.

Im a real sob when it comes to justice.


I can garantor the system is about self supporting interests in the network of Court's and Laws and Law enforcement. Not to forget your social inept probation officers who have an an associates degree in in humanity. What?

There is some shit that goes wrong in any system.

What the fuck is going wrong in Franconia other than a cop who wanted to be on the beat to fuck with people?

I guess it was the back streets of Jersey?

Religion fucks with people, but even that takes 3000 years.

Your government fucks with you tomorrow.

In 10 years what do people expect?

1000 people in Franconia for check point Charlie?

Now that's a revolution.

Most of us forgot Paul Revere was trying to warn of of something?

Thomas Jefferson tried to warn us again.

Thomas Jefferson's famous words said, WE THE PEOPLE and not your government.

Hey Chris,

Thomas Jefferson Loved all people.

He even slept with his slaves.

AS Chris King can testify to this.

as well as Thomas Jefferson.

Anonymous said...

little did liko kenney know on january 26, 2003 that the copcam documenting his will to survive the systematic, sadistic, emotional and physical torture at the whim of bruce mckay would become his living testimony for eternity.

it is not unusual for an officer to check on the well-being of a person in a parked car, offer assistance, if necessary, and/or make a determination about the existence of unlawful activity.

it is unreasonable, however, for an otherwise healthy, sober, vocal young man to be beaten and detained by police, while being repeatedly denied information and an explanation about his impending arrest. scary. cruel.

i would like to sit with police cadets in a classroom, listen to what they are taught, and understand and discuss what they learn.

at what point does an officer, as public servant, and given the authority and responsibility to serve and protect, cross the line to inflict unreasonable harm by way of unwarranted force?

liko kenney, a young man resting upright in his mother's vehicle at a perfectly reasonable hour, was taken away from this public place by ambulance.

his repeated cries for help went unanswered; there were no passers-by to witness and intervene. there might have been if the beating wasn't hidden by the silenced sirens of cruisers arriving to assist officer mckay, not liko kenney.

fast forward to 5/11, and i suggest that bruce mckay was ripe to play it all over again. he played a dangerous game.

Charles Duffy said...

Was Liko Kenny no Different than Paul Revere?

Did Liko say that the cops are coming?

Liko would Have never robed the First National Bank Of franconia.


Only the NWO has robed us. Bur most important that liko kenny had the horse that could be shoed by the local farmer to ride again for liberty.


If a cop gave me that much shit I just might poison his well water.

How's that for all the assholes.

Anonymous said...

21:11:20
"You're resisting arrest."
"I'm resisting torture.

Christopher King said...

6:55

Well said.

In tennis, as in any other sport one thing you can do to really unnerve an opponent is to go right at their supposed strength. If you can break it down then you really have them.

The 2003 video was the State's strength, and that's why they carfully orchestrated its release:

Wait 6 weeks for the interest to die down a bit, then release another video to obfuscate the situation and portray Liko as some beligerant punk who doesn't know his rights.

Well yeah he was a bit beligerant, but with good reason:

His Civil Rights were being violated.


And now we've broken down the State's strongest shot.

And that's game set and match, Blackenroe.

It's all over now, just a matter of time.

Funny how the naysayers have naught to say in this post.

Not a damn word and it has been up for hours.

Ha-Ha.

Charles Duffy said...

As government becomes bigger they become more opportunists.

I think they stole the concept from free enterpize and the Mafia that had not need to be lobbyist in congress.

Today they have them.

It;s called more jails and courts' for your beckon laws that YOU HELPED TO CREATE?


No, I didn't vote on dat law my government didn't that for me. Cause im sow stupid. NO sa, not me. Whois fuck kare?

Thank you MR Misgoverned MAc governemnt I'sa wath'n TV and eating Mcdanalds.
YO sa, Whaat?

Hey chris Im a white Nigger in Wenham Ma. If you know what I mean.

Anonymous said...

Yes it is tragic, Liko got something that night his parents neglected to give him his whole life, a little tough love. One minute Liko is crying out in extreme anguish the next minute he is talk in a calm tone of voice the next he is crying out in anguish again. A total act on Liko's part. State Police arrived still the same attitude, at teh hospital same attitude.

This has been bothering me for a long time, the Nol Prossed complaint. Why was it Nol Prossed? I think it was a negotiated plea. Why would you Nol Prossed the complaint? Resisting arrest is a complaint that can be filed even if the original arrest in found to be unconstitutional. The charges for disorderly conduct Liko plead guilty. The original arrestable offense was upheld. So resisting arrest could not be argued. The marijuana was found in the car, probably by an inventory search. If the pipe was found by inventory search, the only way Liko could fight that charge would be to argue the inventory search policy. This leads me to believe the drug charge was dropped due to a negotiated plea.

Christopher King said...

5:49,

I hear you. And there's more to come. Much more.

5:57

I hear you, too. And remember that Caleb said Floyd had the gun trained on them "before they even hit the road."

6:20

Anonymous said...
hmmmmm ... I wonder what an outsider would think of this incident(s) if all the evidence and acts of Mckay where shown or reported right up to the time he emptied his last mace canister.

I think that Liko having eliminate Mckay causes many people only to focus on the "cop killer" aspect. I think if they didn't know Liko shot him they would be saying, "This guy needs to be shot!"


Exactly. It all goes back to the Franz Kafka post, "Can you shoot the worst cop in the World?"

Christopher King said...

8:01

Bring your sister over here.

I've got a lil' tough love for her.

I'll bet those cats livin' up in Bruce's apartment needed some tough lovin' too.

All of it might be clearer if we had a use of force report, or a police report, or McKay's open personnel file, since he was such a Good and ProfeSSional Cop.

Christopher King said...

8:01

Oh, and you show your stupidity because there was no need to plead out the possession charge because the M.O. was the same in all arrests and the other kids were ACTIVELY SMOKING MARIJUANA and Liko was not.

And Judge Cyr ruled their arrests UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

Perhaps you need to re-read the Motion segment I provided, if you know how to read.

celidh said...

Dr. Mengele? Oye...

Anonymous said...


Funny how the naysayers have naught to say in this post.

Not a damn word and it has been up for hours.


why, i think they picked up their remaining balls and went home.

Christopher King said...

celidh said...
Dr. Mengele? Oye...

....You do know McKay designed uniforms too, right?

-c

Anonymous said...

chris 8:08

damn you're funny! keep on keepin' on...it just keeps gettin' sweeter for liko.

celidh said...

You know, it's funny to see the intolerance shown here when people come up with an alternative take on something that Chris does here.

(Oh wait, let me point out that this is a supposed "1st Amendment Blawg", yet there is suppression of those views outside of the "collective's" view of things. That there's kinda ironic...)

Now, when someone writes a critique, people bitch, bitch, bitch...

The minute people keep to themselves and keep from saying something critical, Chris and others start high-fiving, "Yeeeah, where are the hatahs now, we beat 'em..."

Then they try to taunt people into posting something negative, so they can...

...bitch, bitch, bitch.

Now go back up to the 3rd paragraph, and start the cycle again. Oye.

Just enjoy the quiet when individualistic thinkers are too tired of pointing out obvious mistakes in strategy here. Stop dancing and high fiving when we don't speak up, just realize it seems rather useless times to point out blindingly obvious errors in tactics. We need to recuperate occassionally, ya know...

Charles Duffy said...

Its' funny that I can make a phone call and be on a Plane to south America. I won't come back for six years. Unless the catch me.

How many on this can say this?

If I choose It won't be about getting a run down from a cop in Franconia.

I'll carry a 45 just for the Giant Red Piranha's in the Amazon when I go fishing.

I'll get to go get back to Lake Titicaca to check my Antenna. How's that????

Most of you don't get it.

When was the last time you had your governments wipe ass? Was it welfare?

In other parts of the world it's like the clockwork.

I need three people like Liko Kenny to assist me in South America.

We we will make you look like a priest.

Free plane ride one way. If you complete the assignment after six years we will wonder who you survived?

Ive got the coupon to get back

Christopher King said...

8:43 celidh said...

Well, whatever you said, the point remains that it's all about the Motion.

Have you offered any substantive comment on that, yet?

There is a segment of it included in this post, yo'.

Peace, and keep on keepin' on.

Anonymous said...

Here is my stupidity for you, one I will not bring your family members into this, I will not question your intelligence becuase your views are different from mine, isn't that what racism is all about, different people, different views, different colors, different religous befiefs. I will take the high road that you chose not to take and argue this in a rational manner, no name calling. I can read, I can read very well, I can write I can write very well, I cannot type, I make way too many typos.

I never said Liko was smoking marijuana that evening. I stated even if the original stop was held as unconstitutional, the disorderly conduct and resisting arrest would still upheld as arrestable offenses. The state could prove that beyond a reasonable doubt. Judge Cyr would have gotten very bored with Liko's antics and childish behavior. Judge Cyr does not have much tolerance when it comes that. Liko was arrested for those two offenses. His vehicle could not be left unattended so it would have been towed. If the vehicle was towed an inventory search would have been conducted. That inventory search would have discovered the marijuana. So you have two legal arrests, and inventory of the vehicle which disclosed marijuana. So I ask you this why would they drop the drug charge unless it was in a negotiated plea. A negotiate plea is where the defense attorney says we will plead to these charges if you drop these charges and agree on this sentence. Negotiate pleas save the court many hours.

justice junkie said...

Am I mistaken in my understanding that the possession charges were suddenly dropped prior to any negotiations with Liko's Attorney regarding it?

Tough love is not really a term that is used to refer to violence to gain dominance by police officers. It is a term that is used for those we hold dear and I don't think police officers fill those shoes, unless of course he or she is your family member. Even then I doubt their family member would consider being treated as Liko was to be "tough love".

No offense. Just a different perspective. :)

Anonymous said...

11:06: perhaps those are arrestable offenses as your experience seems validate.

i would guess, as a layperson, on the face of it that might be offered honestly by you and might be correct.

I am wondering if you, like many LE as well as lay citizens, are of the opinion that Mckay's tactics and tecniques were unprofessional; because watching all the videos avaialable, including the one wmur posted right before the AG report became public, I felt very strongly that Mckay was intentionally taunting and playing with this kid like a cat and mouse.

It was a 'nothing' stop, and then Mckay, supposedly experienced and professional, baited and baited the kid continually; watched the kid progressively lose it and ask him repeatedly "why aren't you talking to me, why aren't you saying anything" etc...

...the kid was crazy with fear, which is usually the core of all aggressive mouthiness etc...and his fear was justified. Technically speaking you may be correct.
And technically speaking, when the 'right to know' and other evidence come to light very soon now, let's stay as steadfast and technical with the arrestable offenses that will include all in this murderous criminal coverup conspiracy that has endangered and destroyed so many innocent citizens.

I am curious to see if you honestly thought Mckay's behavior was professional.

In '03 and/or '07...

The facts will prove, in my opinion, that 'arrestable' criminal behaviors were systematically committed by the chief of police and others' charged with administrating police and justice in Franconia.

IF he was a bad rogue cop, and we will prove without any doubt that he was, 'arrestable' offenses by a working criminal, mean jackshit, cause the whole deal is corrupt from the getgo.
Thank you for listening to my perspective on this.

Anonymous said...

Unfortunately, in my experience, it all comes down to $$$. How much money did Franconia make from the court costs of the associated charges stemming from the unconstitutional arrests? How much money did Franconia make from the 300+ tickets that were written. How many people just paid them rather than fight them? How many people fought them, but still had to pay a court fee? Even if the court fee went to the county, the towns still benefited from them. Of course, the Selectmen ignored the complaints ... they had a real money making machine. Why would they want the money stream to end?

The commendations probably came from the town and that's why they don't want to release that information. What a racket!

Cynical and Anon in NJ

Christopher King said...

11:06

Where you are wrong is that because the basis for the original stop was bogus the rest of it all is fruit from a poisonous tree.

We know that Liko had a plea "agreement" with which was not in agreement and was forced to take by his lawyer, who is now a Judge.

Been there, covered that.

And oh, as you may be new to this blawg, I do know a few things about unlawful arrest and fruit of poisonous trees.

"Remember, I slammed some bad cops for about $60 large for that crap in the Ohio Michael Isreal Case when no one thought we would get a dime, and thought no way would his position be vindicated because the Po-Lease had arrested him and charged with with DUI, right.... even though I knew he didn't drink. Ever. He blew a .002 IIRC. We got him adjudicated to be a victim of crime at the hands of the police.

Lastly, do you support the release of McKay file under the conditions I've stated above, or not?

If he was such a great and profeSSional cop you should have no prollem' wif dat, yo'.

Anonymous said...

In 03 was Liko's 1st, 4th and 5th Amendment violated?

Anonymous said...

a "negotiated plea" is exactly how small town court systems remain viable. it IS all about the money.

without proof in hand, such as the '03 video, liko's two "arrestable offenses" would be difficult for liko and his lawyer to dispute, given the self-serving court presumes the truth to be according to the higher gospel of mckay, cox and ball.

guilty, until proven innocent.

one or two of the trumped up charges may be negotiated out to appease, but a tidy sum is guaranteed and received by the court system to feed its hungry mouth.

MCKAY, AS OFFICER, PROSECUTOR, AND WITNESS WAS A FACILITATOR FOR THIS COZY ARRANGEMENT, FROM WHICH HE BENEFITED AS WELL.

when repeated often enough, this method of policing absolutely sustains the system and its associated jobs.

now, the police depts. are fully backed by probation and the court system, and are increasingly free to determine and administer "justice" at the street level. works for them.
been there - done that. i cannot be convinced otherwise.

previous charges are used to bolster any additional, future infractions (and you'd better believe you're now on radar - as in liko's case, his every move was on mckay's radar for four, long years).

your "history" is maintained and accessible by LE FOR YOUR LIFETIME, and is a tool for police to predict and justify your future behavior. recall, mckay put out a statement to LE in april, '07, further tainting liko's reputation.

if you have lived long enough, as i have, how often did we hear the word "felony"? felonious charges were reserved for hardened criminals and their associated acts/behaviors. today, it frequently applies to traffic stops and the spin-off from cop-induced and escalated interactions with citizens.

had liko's defense in '03 had access to the copcam video, it would have at least opened the door to discussion in court; a visual and audio based interpretation to establish facts.

given the way i know the system works, however, the negotiated plea would have been encouraged, even by the defense lawyer (who can't buck the system because the process is SO well established).

file a complaint after the fact? you're complaining to the wolf who keeps the henhouse.
the lesson handed down, especially to a young person is not that the system stands to fairly charge and mete out punishment; but the system is locked in step with its adjunctive departments and agencies.

larger towns and cities are not as dependent on the revenue, so the courts more reasonably tend to more important offenses, have a broader vision, and don't act on pettiness.
policing in small town u.s.a. can be dangerous to the average citizen, and more often, to the youthful offender.

i KNOW it is so, and it is, in part, what immediately drew me to liko's story.

debby said...

In reading the files posted, I saw that Liko requested a copy of the 03 video. I wonder if he ever received it. I do not recall the page but he also specified that he would like it to be mailed to him and did not wish to have verbal or personal contact with the FPD.

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Anonymous said...

a "negotiated plea" is exactly how small town court systems remain viable. it IS all about the money.

without proof in hand, such as the '03 video, liko's two "arrestable offenses" would be difficult for liko and his lawyer to dispute, given the self-serving court presumes the truth to be according to the higher gospel of mckay, cox and ball.

guilty, until proven innocent.

one or two of the trumped up charges may be negotiated out to appease, but a tidy sum is guaranteed and received by the court system to feed its hungry mouth.

MCKAY, AS OFFICER, PROSECUTOR, AND WITNESS WAS A FACILITATOR FOR THIS COZY ARRANGEMENT, FROM WHICH HE BENEFITED AS WELL.

when repeated often enough, this method of policing absolutely sustains the system and its associated jobs.

now, the police depts. are fully backed by probation and the court system, and are increasingly free to determine and administer "justice" at the street level. works for them.
been there - done that. i cannot be convinced otherwise.

previous charges are used to bolster any additional, future infractions (and you'd better believe you're now on radar - as in liko's case, his every move was on mckay's radar for four, long years).

your "history" is maintained and accessible by LE FOR YOUR LIFETIME, and is a tool for police to predict and justify your future behavior. recall, mckay put out a statement to LE in april, '07, further tainting liko's reputation.

if you have lived long enough, as i have, how often did we hear the word "felony"? felonious charges were reserved for hardened criminals and their associated acts/behaviors. today, it frequently applies to traffic stops and the spin-off from cop-induced and escalated interactions with citizens.

had liko's defense in '03 had access to the copcam video, it would have at least opened the door to discussion in court; a visual and audio based interpretation to establish facts.

given the way i know the system works, however, the negotiated plea would have been encouraged, even by the defense lawyer (who can't buck the system because the process is SO well established).

file a complaint after the fact? you're complaining to the wolf who keeps the henhouse.
the lesson handed down, especially to a young person is not that the system stands to fairly charge and mete out punishment; but the system is locked in step with its adjunctive departments and agencies.

larger towns and cities are not as dependent on the revenue, so the courts more reasonably tend to more important offenses, have a broader vision, and don't act on pettiness.
policing in small town u.s.a. can be dangerous to the average citizen, and more often, to the youthful offender.

i KNOW it is so, and it is, in part, what immediately drew me to liko's story.

Christopher King said...

Yes Debby that poster is exactly right, and that's what Michael Isreal talks about in KingCast short film "OreO" when he describes me as practicing the sort of law that was not typical..... because I didn't take the beat down and actually argued these cases on Constitutional grounds.

The State was, by and large, not thrilled. Especially coming from a former AAG.

Anonymous said...

an acquaintance once complained to me about a harsh judge in a small court that has jurisdiction over this area. i hadn't previously concerned myself with police and court matters, and knowing of her situation, i assumed her son was a behavior problem. i hadn't expected to have future, personal experience(s!) in that court.

indeed, she was correct. police assure a hit when they super-maximize the number of charges associated with a given incident, forcing you to plead down to the remaining charges. you are, therefore, guilty as charged at a basic level, with little room to prove your innocence.....as a trial on a lesser matter puts you at further risk to suffer the full consequences of all the original charges.

surprisingly, a GOOD kid, from a GOOD family, without ANY criminal history on the FIRST OFFENSE can get caught up in its web. hiring representation is necessary, but counsel often cannot adequately and effectively represent because the process and the system are so fully merged, with players marching as soldiers. the system, therefore, will trump and usurp the favor and effect of legal counsel.

probation, if you'll excuse me, is a joke - nothing of substance, at least in this court. it is a method to oversee the accounting aspects of collecting probation fees. the associated revenue is most often to the tune of $65./mo., with the $21./mo. fee less often applied.

there was a move to close this court down, but it merged it with another, and still enjoys a unique place within the whole.

around here, you need to be mindful of where you choose to make your mistakes. MISTAKES - kids make mistakes. pranks may have the potential to harm, but if they have not caused harm, in fact, or if restitution is possible when slight harm has occurred, justice would be better served to charge accurately.

it all starts with the first police encounter. some of us have observed, locally, that the kids who act up consistently thru their teens have a better shake because the record is not available for CORI checks as an adult. if you commit an offense after your 18th birthday, even once, your record can be permanently soiled.

and so we come to liko. an even smaller town, and an even more self-contained jurisdiction. mckay certainly had the power, authority, and upper hand. he found a perfect fit for his rule. it has been said officers could anticipate some monkey business when called for his backup. mckay's reign grew to be unrestricted, and he knew no limits to the terror he created and sustained, until he acted, once again, on his rage and aggression....to his own demise.

any reasonably intelligent, sane person with respect for authority and trust in our judicial systems expects much more than the shoddy, cruel and dangerous policing that WILL NATURALLY ERUPT INTO VIOLENCE AGAIN IF IT REMAINS UNCHECKED. we demand better, and we all deserve better......better hiring, training, and review of those who are responsible to serve and protect. a civilian review board will help police the police in theory, and hopefully, in practice.

Christopher King said...

5:48

You are smack on when you write:

"and so we come to liko. an even smaller town, and an even more self-contained jurisdiction. mckay certainly had the power, authority, and upper hand. he found a perfect fit for his rule. it has been said officers could anticipate some monkey business when called for his backup. mckay's reign grew to be unrestricted, and he knew no limits to the terror he created and sustained, until he acted, once again, on his rage and aggression....to his own demise.

And as if you need more proof for your assertion, see how Bruce intimidated even a high-powered attorney-landlord with his antics involving a trash fired, the Lisbon Fire Department and some hungy kittens.

Take a look.

BTW I am a CORI victim as well, and for now good reason, and all because of NH AG Kelly Ayotte and her buddies who brought those bogus charges against me when I was NAACP legal chair of Southern NH.

Niiiiice.....