10 August 2007

KingCast says that NH AG Kelly Ayotte is a big fan of the First Amendment, the ACLU and women's reproductive rights.... NOT.

Let's take a look then, shall we, at the ACLU Press Release. Remember that reproductive rights are a First Amendment/Privacy issue, but the only First Amendment or privacy issues New Hampshire government cares about are the alleged privacy issues of Bad Cops like Bruce McKay.

They certainly didn't care about my First Amendment Rights when I was Southern NH NAACP Legal Chair, so I had to crush 'em in Court. See para. 2 and this letter from a Republican KingCast supporter, with some choice words from one of his lawyer friends.

38 comments:

Anonymous said...

So, this blog is kind of like a stream of conscious thought blog then?

You know, like publishing whatever pops into your head at any particular moment?

Or, is there some nexus (Isn't that a cool word????) between women's "right" to rip unborn fetuses from their wombs and Liko Kenney?

Enquiring minds want to know.

Anonymous said...

King: You wanna read that ACLU press release again. The ACLU is applauding Ayotte and Lynch for making is legal for minors to have abortions in New Hampshire without notification of parents or guardians. In other words, they support the tortured Supreme Court logic in Roe v. Wade (soon to be overturned, I hope) that right to privacy extends to abortion.

I think you got it backwards -- Ayotte supports this supposed Constitutional right to privacy

Anonymous said...

King does does not care about facts, he twists everything to suit his twisted views on life, and lets not questions his opinions, that is all they are, you will be excommunicated for such heresy.

Anonymous 4:43, you forgot to mention Tony Soprano is also involved with the conspiracy to rub out Liko. And while I am at it, the conspiracy is probably even larger, the Easter Bunny and Santa Clause are also involved.

"It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one
begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit
facts." The Adventures of Sherlock Holmes, 1892, "A Scandal in Bohemia"

Christopher King said...

Y'all three can take your complaints to the United States Supreme Court.

The Law is the law, and whether or not you believe it is "soon to be overturned" (what empirical proof do you have of that) the FACT remains that a woman's right to her reproductive rights is protected as a First Amendment Right.

You need to read Roe again dummies:

It is with these interests, and the weight to be attached to them, that this case is concerned.

VIII

The Constitution does not explicitly mention any right of privacy. In a line of decisions, however, going back perhaps as far as Union Pacific R. Co. v. Botsford, 141 U.S. 250, 251 (1891), the Court has recognized that a right of personal privacy, or a guarantee of certain areas or zones of privacy, does exist under the Constitution. In varying contexts, the Court or individual Justices have, indeed, found at least the roots of that right in the First Amendment, Stanley v. Georgia, 394 U.S. 557, 564 (1969); in the Fourth and Fifth Amendments, Terry v. Ohio, 392 U.S. 1, 8-9 (1968), Katz v. United States, 389 U.S. 347, 350 (1967), Boyd v. United States, 116 U.S. 616 (1886), see Olmstead v. United States, 277 U.S. 438, 478 (1928) (Brandeis, J., dissenting); in the penumbras of the Bill of Rights, Griswold v. Connecticut, 381 U.S., at 484-485; in the Ninth Amendment, id., at 486 (Goldberg, J., concurring); or in the concept of liberty guaranteed by the first section of the Fourteenth Amendment, see Meyer v. Nebraska, 262 U.S. 390, 399 (1923). These decisions make it clear that only personal rights that can be deemed "fundamental" or "implicit in the concept of ordered liberty," Palko v. Connecticut, 302 U.S. 319, 325 (1937), are included in this guarantee of personal privacy.


"By repealing this extreme and dangerous measure, Governor Lynch has sensibly put teenagers' health and rights above political wrangling," said Claire Ebel, Executive Director of the New Hampshire Civil Liberties Union."

I don't "twist" anything. Ayotte and her buddies twisted the law and tried to nail me, exercising the SAME POOR JUDGMENT they have in Franconia, and I spanked their collective butts.

Just the facts.

Next time please identify yourselves as Idiots one, two or three so I don't have to waste my time responding to you because you obviously have no clue of what you speak.

HAHAHAHAHAHA........

debby said...

How important do people feel their constitutional rights are while in the midst of a traffic violation?

Should we be able to have legal recourse if an officer detains us for 2 hours for an expired registration?

What are the guidelines to when an officer can pull a gun on you? Can he do so at any time w/ provocation or cause?

I really believe that we should have a very formatted set of guidelines as to what is acceptable on both the part of the citizen or the officer. If it is unbalanced at this time then it needs revision.

Citizens need to be able to go to a more neutral party to make police complaints.

I also think that we should have the right to tape any traffic stop that we are involved in without having charges brought against us like the man in Nashua.

Christopher King said...

And yes, I do pubish whatever pops into my head at any partiular moment, especially if it involves faulty law or logic on the part of our government because guess what?

This is my blawg. You don't like it, go and get your own, as I was instructed and did. You need to learn how to start follwing some simple instructions, and get some discipline in your lives.

Perhaps Bruce McKay could have helped you with that with a good-natured beat-down or two.

*********

Who day gon' challenge my knowledge of Civil Rights Law?

Not these fools.

And thus far not Kelly Ayotte, either.

We'll see how it turns out in Court this time, and soon.

And that's WORD!

debby said...

ooops...I meant with OUT provocation or cause

Christopher King said...

Debby:

These people are idiots. I hope they start identifying themselves as idiots one, two and three -- if they can count that high because they sure as hell have NO CLUE about Constitutional Law.

They say, Oh, well I can't find a First Amendment issue there.... so I try to help:

In varying contexts, the Court or individual Justices have, indeed, found at least the roots of that right in the First Amendment, Stanley v. Georgia, 394 U.S. 557, 564 (1969)

But it's really to no effect; these guys are dumber than a box of hammers I tellya'.

Probably some of New Hampshire's LE hate squads, and that's the scary part.

Didja' know that MassCops called the NAACP the "National Association of Asshole-Colored People?"

Sure did, take a look.

Anonymous said...

Pardon me for not having a private school education. I am just the product of the public school system. I then did military service and then paid my way through a state university. I'm sorry I did not grow up with a silver spoon stuck up my ass. I worked for everything I got, I was raised with common sense, and appreciated what I have. I didn't piss away a job as attorney. But, I'm a dummie, idiot. I think you need to look closer in the mirror to see the dummy and the idiot. I could care less about Roe v. Wade, it could be a violation of the eigthteenth amendment for all I care. I'm here becasue you like to slander people and tell have truths.

Anonymous said...

I'm here becasue you like to slander people and tell have truths.

you just slandered the English language.

Anonymous said...

I'm here because I like boobies.

Christopher King said...

11:59

My parents gave me nothing but $500 a year after high school and a co-sign on my first real car, the GTi.

And I didn't piss away anything, still a very effective and special law clerk and Civil Rights activist.

If you ever get your rights violated you would do well to have someone like me on your side.

Just ask this brother in a wheelchair, and note at the bottom of the post, I note that I would do the same for a Caucasian person.

Well I am.

Peace.

Christopher King said...

12:19

If you're here because you like boobies, you've got the wrong site, except for that bit about how the NAACP lied when they said they needed a written complaint to investigate a complaint when in point of fact they told me to investigate some allegations stemming from the local titty-bar with just a phone call.

It's true, read the email.

Anonymous said...

Boobies are my friends.

Anonymous said...

Well than you'll love the police squad in francona; boob central.

Anonymous said...

10:58 writes, or rather quotes:

"It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one
begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit
facts." The Adventures of Sherlock Holmes, 1892, "A Scandal in Bohemia"

10:58 AM


"before one has data" 10:58, so if you are indeed in strong favor of having the aforementioned "data" then you're obviously supporting that the evidenitary materials ALL be released as is proper and lawful, and as has been encouraged by The Littleton Courier and other media and private resources, correct?

You have your opinions and you have your perspective but your main finale was this quotation. So at least have the decency and honesty to admit that you support the Declaratory motion, or whatever auspices YOU, as concerned and patriotic Americans, can use to BRING ALL THE "DATA" and EVIDENCE THAT IS BEING WITHELD OUT INTO THE OPEN...

those complaint files were done thru proper officials with the proper paperwork and proper procedure prescribed by law by officals at the local level...WHY ARE THEY BEING WITHHELD?
in the interest of "data" my sherlock holminan friend.

you know the answer is 'elementary, my dear..."

so fess up to that much and give some credence to your opinions as you criticize others for being non-factual. Don't you care abouta the facts? the data?
of course you do Sherlock; so have the moxie to admit that here.
Or do you favor the tight little corrupt circle illegally keeping the materials from the light; those citizens did everything right and according to law in those filings...(as did others, where the paperwork might be 'lost' or has not yet made public in verifiable form.

so if it's facts you really care about, come on and support that the facts be released; otherwise, your commentary rings mighty hollow & suggests some other agenda.

Christopher King said...

2:42

Exactly.

I call these cats Reynolds 'cos they're plastic rap.

Meanwhile, I have some new videos for everyone, from the back seat of McKay's cruiser in 2003 when Liko tells him that he is a mental health patient.

21:04:01 - "You can't pull people off the street and put them in handcuffs and drive them around for no reason."

[held: correct, as noted by Judge Cyr].

21:05:46 - "I was sitting in my car resting before
driving home and now you've done this to me for no reason."

[held: correct, as noted by Judge Cyr].

21:11:20
"You're resisting arrest."
"I'm resisting torture. You punched me in the face you hurt my injured neck you hurt both of my arms you hurt both of my legs all because I asked you a question." "You grabbed my testicles, correct?"
"I grabbed your testicles, hell no.
"[McKay laughs, does not say 'yes you did.']"
"You threw me to the ground and put your testicles in my face you fucking faggot."

21:15:00 - "Why am I in handcuffs?" "[Officer Cox or Ball] Because you resisted arrest." "Why was I being arrested, why?" "[Officer Cox or Ball] I don't
understand what the original offense was." "That's
because there is no original offense."

[held: correct,as noted by Judge Cyr].

21:15:30 - "He punched me in the face and you and him both saw him punch me in the face and you both are saying he didn't. I'm being beat up IN HANDCUFFS by 3 adult armed men who all have guns and I have NOTHING."

[held: correct, by common sense].
By Christopher King, at 3:12 PM

Anonymous said...

I have now seen most of the reports. I am quite content with the conclusions the AG office released. I don't believe there is a huge conspiracy theory. 91-A does offer some personal privacy for public officials. The town of Franconia is using the statute to protect the privacy of Mckay. I don't need to know what all the complaints were about. I could care less, McKay could have a thousand complaints against him, it still would not warrant his murder. So, yes I agree the facts are important, but many are asking for facts that do not pertain to the Murder of Mckay and the death of Kenney. Many have twisted the facts of the incident to fulfill the theories that you desire.

"It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one
begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit
facts." The Adventures of Sherlock Holmes, 1892, "A Scandal in Bohemia"

justice junkie said...

11:25 PM,

I don't need to know what all the complaints were about. I could care less, McKay could have a thousand complaints against him,.......


It really doesn't matter to you that Mckay terrorized the town and that it went beyond Liko, even to the elderly? You really don't care if he had a thousand complaints against him?

You obviously don't live in the area or if you do, hold a job position that leaves you exempt from ever being put in the position of police harassment.

Anonymous said...

it wasn't murder. it was self defense against a rogue cop who was way out of line with sop on this entire incident; you don't care that AG report is falacious and that the evidence is tampered; and that the audio is manipulated and that there was an intentinal disinformation campaign with 'facts' reported that were totally different from the testitomy of tag team partner and murderer floyd?
you don't care about much...
i won't drag you through the facts; they already here...i get it...you don't care about the truth in context or the law; the complaints are extremely relevant, the history of Mckay's criminality is hugely important;...
it won't matter what you care about. it will matter that you follow sop and do your service with good heart, or be removed from a position of authority.
Liko was attacked with a lethal weapon REPEATEDLY after trying every sane, sensibly communication to get the backup he had every right and obligation to ask for...
the audio is missing here but you don't care...
no matter what you care about. what matters is what we are about to prove.
he was repeatedly attacked with a lethal weapon while in voluntary compliance; again, HE WAS REPEATEDLY ATTACKED AND RAMMED WITH A LETHAL WEAPON WHILE IN VOLUNTARY COMPLIANCE AFTER DOING A SERIES OF THINGS TO MITIGATE MCKAYS CRIMINAL INSANITY....
and
THEN HE WAS HOSED IN THE FACE WITH POISON WHILE HIS WINDOW WAS DOWN AND HE WAS COMMUNICATING WITH THE OFFICER AFTER SHOWING HIM TWO EMPTY OPEN HANDS, AND AGAIN, AFTER AGREEING TO STOP WHERE THERE WERE WITNESSES, ONLY SECONDS AWAY; A FEW HUNDRED FEET AWAY...A PLACE KNOWN WELL TO MCKAY, WHO HAUNTED AND TAUNTED THE KID EVERY NIGHT...THO IT WASN'T EVEN IN FRANCONIA....

you don't care. but you don't matter. people who care matter. there will be police accountability, and official accountability in franconia; and i hope it spreads to each and every neighboring village that might harbor one sided blind sided idealogues who don't care about justice or law.
The paper says it; the citizens say it; everyone is saying it; releases the evidentiary materials...but you don't care.

that's why you don't matter.
Liko was in shock and self defense primacy when he took out Mckay, who has smirked his last smirk.
sad, tragic, unfortuante from the start...
and totally a 'hit' from the gitgo; and totally targetted, and totally out of line and out of law and out of sane policing policy. this will be proven licketysplit, and you will be on patrol more and more angry; and take it out on some citizen because you think you don't have to care yet you are in our employ to protect and SERVE...
you don't care. that's the problem.

Anonymous said...

and also silly little officer 11:52...may i quote you directly:

___
91-A does offer some personal privacy for public officials. The town of Franconia is using the statute to protect the privacy of Mckay. I don't need to know what all the complaints were about. I could care less..."
_____

care to quote the 'statue' that protects the privacy of Mckay and supersedes the legitmate officially prescribed PUBLIC complaint procedure, made by members of the PUBLIC for the PUBLIC..."the town of franconia" IS the PUBLIC.
try to wrap ya haid around that 'democracy' and 'freedom' and 'law' stuff, ok? because you are embarssing other thoughtful and intelligent officers with your low brow idiocy...

...also, i'm glad you're a sherlock holmes fan as you keep repeating that quote, depsite the fact i challenged you directly, or shall i say, kicked your useless ass in that regard, by quoting that quote right back at you...and of course, you, in a cowardly fashion, chose to ignore that and not respond because 'you don't care..."

the "data" Doyle is clearly referring to thru the Holmes character is a direct unequivocal CALL FOR DATA ie..EVIDENCE ie the RELEVANT complaint records and ALL personnel files, AND OTHER MATERIALS, regarding Mckay's criminal serially abusive behaviors on duty...and his damn phone records, finance records and anything else germane to the investigation in OUR, we, the people's, judgement.
care or not bubba...
that's reality you're gonna have to live with; so calm down now; cause if you take it out on a citizen, we're gonna be on to you.
Welcome to a new day where corruption takes a back seat to the fine poetic beautiful history this town deserves to be known for...
...not a sex crime violent cop who superseded the chief and the selectboard and went nazi on the public for 12 years of seeding the atmosphere with hatred, resentment and criminality.

mcleod, belz, ayotte, you are in this so deep; your pathetic running away with a few dozen reams of paper that's LEGITMATELY OURS to peruse, is freaking pathetic and absolutely transparent...
plus, we've got stuff aside from that that's gonna blow your shit wide open, and we've had it from the start...and we respectully warned Ayotte publically in an attempt to avoid this.


This was a coverup and a personal attack on liko and also the kenney/millers and also the people of Franconia from the gitgo, for base political reasons; it's lies so numerous, odious and obvious that people of EVERY political and philosophical stance, across the spectrum, are calling for the 'data' for the evidence for full disclosure for the facts...and we've got 'em...and you can't escape them; nor hide behind some "statute" that i am waiting for you to quote specifically and in full, that would allow this criminal decedent to have his violent sex crimes and serially abuse of sop made very public; and you can't stop it...believe me baby, you're gonna have a tense time of it now...you, and the town of franconia dosen't hold the cards, you merely withold evidence we already are privvy to actually; Ayotte was warned here weeks ago about a number of materials she had no control of, and given every chance to re-asess and handle this professionally, but you've all stuck your stake in the ground, hoping desperately to save Franconia the considerable funds that are about to removed from the hands of a corrupt selectboard and a very criminally corrupt police chief....
you might as well just stop that high school construction for now; because you've made it mckay town...and in mckay town, there's no more money for stuff like that...
plus the bastard maced a kid in that school, and made other kids sick...
so like screw him for a million different reasons...his PRIVACY?
bullshit. not on our dime baby. he got paid for every second he committed those crimes in the name of the law with our town's name on the car he should have NEVER been allowed to commandeer, or use as a lethal weapon against our citizens...
...but more on that as things develop...and boy, you're gonna get pretty hard evidence to deal with in the next few weeks...
better keep those reconcilation psychogists at the ready...and your kleenex u rage junkies...

when i hear the arrogance of someone in authority who proudly proclaims bullshtie like 'he dosen't care' mature stuff like he dosen't give a rat's ass about the truth...

...well, here's how it makes me respond...again, tho silly and reactionary:

when the news hits we're gonna have our own motorcycle parade, dig mckay up, shoot him again, and then bury him in the ayotte/casella toxic waste dump; it couldn't smell all that much worse.
but seriously, i kid, i kid...
i guess 'not caring' is kinda catching...especially from a well read sherlock holmian authority figure such as yourself...

yeh there's a lot of anger and hurt feelings; keep on stokin' 'em...or is that part of the game...a reason to crackdown; to demand a fortress for a town building when the reality is the kids in this town never threatened the police or the town bulding, or vandalized it, or behaved in a less than respectful manner, even tho their friend and brother was tortured intentionally for years, then killed in a set up whack, by mckay and psycho floyd...those phone records would have come out a long time ago as well if there hadn't been contact between them...
we demanded all cell records, landline records; photos of the interior of floyds truck or at least an inventory of what was there...after he was in two stores dead center main street, already tracking Liko...
how fucking stupid do you think people are? and how much of shit do you think they're gonna take?
clue: see Liko Kenney case.

NO MORE CRIMINALS RIDING ROUGH SHOD OVER OUR KIDS, OUR ADULTS, OUR CITIZENS, OUT VISITORS...

mckay gets no privacy; he gets exposed. if there's no criminality or anything that would put the complicit officials in 'fear lockdown repress and lie' mode...in those papers, why they'd be released...
you're just gonna have to take your medicine coppo...
it's called accountability, responsibility...
we own that evidence, we paid for it; we paid every dime that scumbag ever took home after making a mockery of the law and a disaster of people's private lives...
we pay for every donut you stick in your uncaring craw, and every morsel of food that feeds your family, so get some respect for the law and for the people who generate the income and ambiance of this unique place, or take your stoopid blue bottomed ass off to some other job where you can't pretend your represent anything other than the myopic cruelty you represent...
You are an apologist and a terrorist posing as an officer of American law.
and you have my respect as a human and fellow soul; but as an officer of the law; unless your on the job skills totally reflect something other than your reactionary cruel drivel here, you devalue the respect that actual professional, evolved and CARING, experienced and committed police officers should have every right to enjoy. you're not one of the good guys are you?
hopefully, you will get some professional help, get grateful for our position of trust, and be of good spirit and service...if not, the police accountability and offiical accountability measure we, your BOSSES are about to put into effect, will weed you out before you can psycho out on the general public.
why would a dead cop need privacy if he was honorable?
wouldn't you want that record publiced far and wide, in homage to his career and his work and the idfference he made?
yeah, right...he was a prick and you don't even get le standing up for him, other than a couple from other departments not privvy to the bigger picture, or perhaps his idelogical equals in terms of hate for the law and contempt for the citizens...

why be afraid of police accountability? it's a small town; every one knows everyone...why not be PROUD of police accountability...we are very forgiving people; nobody expects everything to be done perfectly each time; no one expects the judges to roll over on technicalities if someone's really a danger to the community and committing crimes against citizens...wake the eff up donuthaid...
you disgrace the good officers in the field.
i feel for them; and honor them; and would put myself on the line for any of them; and have actually. they are among our best...we've got some REAL rotten eggs in a real rotten circle of horrendously abusive criminal behaviors by officials, and their enablement of this rogue, and his tag team psycho drug buddy, and we are simply going to stop it;
so get pissed or get with the program...
i do care. and wish you some perspective and good health. there may be hope for you. i'm on your side.
i want you to make it.
just shift your attitude a little; and let that subtly relect your behavior on duty; you will be happier and moe fulfilled and the community dynamic will reflect more trust and respect and gratitude.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

I have now seen most of the reports. I am quite content with the conclusions the AG office released. I don't believe there is a huge conspiracy theory. 91-A does offer some personal privacy for public officials. The town of Franconia is using the statute to protect the privacy of Mckay. I don't need to know what all the complaints were about. I could care less, McKay could have a thousand complaints against him, it still would not warrant his murder. So, yes I agree the facts are important, but many are asking for facts that do not pertain to the Murder of Mckay and the death of Kenney. Many have twisted the facts of the incident to fulfill the theories that you desire.

"It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one
begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit
facts." The Adventures of Sherlock Holmes, 1892, "A Scandal in Bohemia"

11:25 PM,

You have lost credibility by making this statement. All you care about is that McKay got killed and that is it. This a a fish bowl attitude. McKay harmed the entire town. Mostly, the youth but it crossed over all ages and people were frightened of him and you don't care. That means you think it is okay for police officers to abuse citizens, right? The citizens mean absolutely nothing is what you are saying here. Along with that if we don't have documented proof we've got nothing but we should not have the right to see documented proof that pertains to McKay's history as a police officer? The town of Franconia would be safer to have no police officers at all if this behavior is continued to be condoned.



Hi 3:54, ;) Keep up the good work.

Anonymous said...

Kicked my ass, so we are having an ass kicking contest.

I logically tried to state the complaints about McKay have no bearing to his Murder.

I glad you could see the link between data and evidence.

You keep twisting your facts to fit your anti-establishment theories. That is the point of the quote.

You have the facts but yet chose to theorizes incorrectly.

What information is not out there the is relevant to mckay's murder? Why do you need phone records, why do you need his finance records? They have no bearing on his murder.

You keep bringing up references to sexually molestations, bring forth the victims. Find that girl he supposedly had sex with so she would not be arrested, bring forth all the little boys he supposedly molested. Then open up an investigation on those charges.

Police work is a hands on job, you are going piss off many people while doing your job. One side is going to be be happy the other not so much.

To address the deadly weapon, vehicle on vehicle use of force is only considered deadly force at speed over 35 mph. When Mckay pusshed Liko it was not at speeds of 35 mph, not deadly force.

Once again you have the facts but twisted them to you theories of fantasy.

You go on and on and not say much, but profess to kick peoples asses. Once again twisted facts to fit your delusions of grandeur.

As for your portion of the 91-A, try this 91-A:3 II and 91-A:5, but I'm not an attorney.

br said...

10:34, I actually think that the facts have quite a lot of relevance, both to the past and to the future.

It's clear to most from the 2003 video that McKay's training in both procedure (his refusal to tell Liko his name) and conflict defusing was pretty deficient. The Chief should have been all over that (and seeing as at least one of the other officers interviewed said that he had seen the video a year ago or more, clearly the Franconia PD had a copy of it at its disposal), and should have been insisting that McKay attend training to brush up on those subjects. Had he been sufficiently trained, it is entirely possible that the day might have ended differently for everyone: he might have awaited a second officer, or have allowed Liko to proceed to the tennis camp.

And that's obviously not the only training that McKay lacked. Many LE officers on LE message boards have been very critical of McKay's actions on 5/11, specifically in that he failed to wear his vest, and then proceeded to turn his back on an OC-sprayed subject, a HUGE no-no according to pretty much everyone. He also violated FPD written policy by bumping a car that was already off the road. Etc.

Were the other complaints similarly indicative of a lack of training or procedural knowledge? How much of this did the Selectboard and the Chief know? Did the Chief hide these incidents from the Selectboard, or were they aware of the issues? Will a similar situation ever be allowed to develop (and be similarly ignored) in the future? The people of Franconia deserve to know how much their public officials and employees were ignoring or sweeping under the rug, as they deserve to have a sense of safety going forward.

Christopher King said...

11:25 and 10:34

You are quite wrong. All of McKay's actions bear witness on whether or not he should have been a cop in the first place.

Furthermore, what jury has convicted Liko Kenney of Murder?

You sound like the Union Leader which has already determined that Stix Addison "Murdered" Michael Briggs when there has been no trial whatsoever.

You're a joke, dude.

Come to the oral argument and let NH decide whether it wants to join the tide toward open disclosure favored in Florida and Ohio.

Read the motion and offer some substantive comment, please.

And lastly, there was no plea on the nol-prossed charges.

This is straight from Attorney Brook's Motion for Continuance:

"Counsel requires a copy of McKay's police report in order to prooperly litigate this issue. Defense counsel, however, has yet to receive Officer McKay's police report from the Graton County Attorney. Counsel did request McKay's report in a February 20, 2003 discovery letter addressed to the Franconia Police Department. At the time of the discovery request, the Franconia Police Department was prosecuting the allegations in the above-captioned matters. The department did not respond to the request and, instead dropped all of the complaints.""

Duh.

Anonymous said...

12:42
well stated...and always worth the time, energy and soul that it takes to compose such a post. your tireless effort has been in truth-seeking. we stand with you to affirm your beliefs. the truth is unshakable, and Liko paid for it with his life.
i have zero tolerance for the fools who attempt to twist, manipulate and question beyond reason, and well beyond what has been evidentially documented as facts. let the courts reaffirm these facts.
those who badger and test have come too late. they are not part of the process as it moves forward, and they are irrelevant.
it is yours and similar posts that are relevant and matter most.

Anonymous said...

10:34 no i didn't want to really get into an 'ass-kicking' contest with you; but you are frustrating to deal with; quoting sherlock holmes thru doyle about DATA, evidence needing to be present to judge things in perspective...
then professing how much you personally DON'T CARE...and keep mentioning Liko's self defense as murder, which it wasn't.
then asking me really, i'm sorry, idiot questions about why we would need evidentiary materials like phone records and such, after NOT addressing the tampered evidence, the missing audio, the intentional disinformatnion that conflicts with the interviews, the horrible faux-investigation, universally acknowledged as a flawed joke (by the papers as well as huge majority of citizens) that let floyd and his vehicle inventory slide...there's a whole lot here...as you will find out soon. we've ben being played by cheap hustlers in a political game and we don't like it.
especially when you profess how you don't care how many complaints of whatever type that were made...that kind of myopic denial SHOULD make a citizen mad, especially if it comes from someone who fancies themselves an 'authority' figure, or someone in a "law" profession such as policing.

you come on in the midst of many a good argument, announce cavalierly that everything's okay with you; mckay's privacy is immaculate, you don't care about the illegallity or inappropriate nature of his actions, that you ask for it to be proved, then you announce that all the proof is unimportant and should be repressed by law...
so of course you're going to inspire some ire, as if you didn't know...
when you speak of "the kenney murder" i assume you mean the murder of Liko by Mckay/Floyd...because what Liko did was clearly self=defense...
a huge truck isn't a lethal weapon unless it's going 24 miles an hour???
oh hoooo; you are a sharpie that deserves an ass kicking...do you want to know how many police have filed that charge or administered deadly force, when someone had their vehicles just pointed in their direction and on the move? duh, and rightly so by the way...

let's go to the agway department store and try an experiment; i hit you going only 34 miles an hour with my truck. and keep ramming you...you just stand there, ok?
if you live, then it wasn't a lethal weapon, just plain assault with intent to kill...
there mah little equivocator; get real...
we're getting the evidence...
why oh why are you so determined to keep that from the public that generated thru offical procedure in the interest of the public, for the public...???
you never answer that...
so your credibilty goes down the drain with me personally; thus the 'ass-kicking' language...which was intended as 'metaphor' for your complete defeat in a debating context, on every puerile point you've brought to the show...
it's sicko stuff that encourages darkness, denial, witholding of evidence in the face of a hugely flawed AG report...you keep your focus very narrow so as to keep everything defined about a rogue cop...how sad and frightening to see that the members of the blue circle will still be obstinate and determined to play judge and jury on matters of evidence...
that is why you're not a judge. that is why you're coming off either desperate or purposely uninformed here...
that is why you're being tagged...other officials have come here and been treated with respect regardless of their views...
you can't stop justice; you can't stop the evidence; monti can't; the selectboard can't. believe me you cannot. you could burn them all, as monti might have already done, and it still wouldn't stop the evidence from coming in...i know you don't quite grok that, but you will have to live with it; then i guess you'll be "CARING" in a big hurry...
we know what you don't care about: truth, evidence, reality...
we know what you do care...quoting faux-law interpretations in such a manner as to casually and cavalierly misuse the the law to keep this violent criminality a secret, and keep yourselves out of complicity and out of the accountability; simply speaking, it's too late for that; it's not going to work; you're going to have to get used to, as President Bush came into office talking about..."consequences" ...
there are consequences to illegal, immoral serially abuse violent behavior under cover of law, and consequences for releasing a report with criminality tampered materials, and destroyed materials and committing seven different kinds of obstruction of justice...there are consequences for knowing the truth on those evidentiary materials and DARING to attempt to keep them from the same public who generated them legally in the interest of the public.
we have dealt with more sophisticated liars and obfuscators than you here...
you are easy pickins...
your anger shows thru...
about all that 'you don't care' about...
and so you get your points refuted with passion, in, yes, a kind of ass-kicking...jeezus you are a case...it's not lethal unless it's going thirty five miles an hour...
okay, meet me in the parking lot, and let's see if you get killed or only crippled...
in any case, i'd be liable for serious assault wouldn't I?
don't worry i'm not mckay; i don't take cheap shots at defenseless citizens under cover of the authority that real cops earn with true service...
your head couldn't be that far into the ground without purposely digging quite the hole; so i can't take your equivocations too seriously...whoa, who woulda come up with 'its not a lethal weapon unless it's going 35 mph...whoa...
you are a sharpie...and the evidence is going to put your kind right in the place you have constructed for yourself. which is not a place of respect or importance, and likely not a place of safe employment, once accountability comes in, so i don't blame you for being scared.
you can't change, you don't care, and you're vicious dead buddy has been dispatched by a tortured, flawed, intentionally targetted patriot under attack.
welcome to the real world.
ten four good buddy.

Anonymous said...

1:54,

I hope you are not married. If you are I feel sorry for your wife for putting up with your abusives ways. You are the one that is angry, mad, insecure. You have to actively attack a person with different views. Your wife must be afriad to argue with you, you lash out either physically or emotionally. Either one is still domestic violence. While I find your post most amusing, you use words like you have some intelligence but then you make statements that lead me to believe you are very sophomoric. You state that I'm am angry, mad or threatened. You purposely try to goad me into anger, nice try. Your ranting have little affect on my sense of self. Many have stated here, even those who are opposed to my ideas, there was no justifiacation for Liko's actions. That is murder, he will never be convicted for murder, but what he did was murder.
I have been accused of not be able to read on this site, now I will accuse you of the same. Can you not read, I said Vehicle on vehicle use of force. That would be two people and two vehicles. One person in each vehicle. One tries to do damage to the other, for that to be considered deadly force they would need speeds about 35 mph. If there is one vehicle and two people, one driver the other a pedestrian, any speed would be deadly force. That is why the AG stated Liko was armed with two deadly weapons, 45 and auto.
There is not a conspiracy. McKay had some complainst against him, so what. Law enforcement is a job where you will get complaints made against you most are unfounded. If was molesting people, bring forth the victims. Start and investigation, but like everything on this blog, wild speculation and meritless accusations.
Everyone here clamored for the release of the video, the video was released, nobody was happy, everybody clamored for the personnel files, they were released, nobody is happy. Speculation and wild accusations are still rampant. If everything you ask for is granted you will never be happy because you are looking for something that is not there.

Anonymous said...

11:05: i am not angry at you but i do write with passion. mckay's peronnel files were not released; a 'report' on them were, with many specifics missing.
Similarly, whatever videos were released, are being released right here; all the AG office released were severely truncated videos and disrupted audio as well. This is the third time I'm mentioning that and the umpteenth time it has been mentioned but you ignore it; that does inspire a little passion; Don't worry about my spouse or friends, unlike Mckay there is absolutely no history of domestic violence. nor will the be one.
You continue to ignore the right to know demands of the complaints, saying they are not relevant because all officers get complaint forms. That is not a valid argument in this case with this abuser; When we did get the 'report' on mckay's record what did we find?
That his 'stops' were way out of proportion with the other full time officers; hugely so. a huge disparity; you will see nothing peculiar in that; tho to others it stands out in the stark contrast it deserves. I don't want to goad you into anger. not at all. I would prefer to keep things civil and mutually respectful. It is a bit aggravating that you kept on quoting doyle thru a number of posts and then refuse to support the 'facts' being released, assuming that because some irresponsible monkeys target cops unfairly with complaints (and i do not deny that at all, i know better) that All complaints in this very special case would be simply dismissiable as unimportant or made by dishonest people without a legitmate concern; the facts of these complaints will speak for themselves, and should. Why hide them?
You all paint 'everything' on these pages since last May as inconsequential and cavalierly dissmiss them, but many media outlets have talked of the importance for all these complaints, and the purposefully solicited comments by the 'reconcilation' committee, upon which a franconia officer sits as counsel, would be irrelevant also, to be thoroughly relaseased as the oNLY sure way to make a proper asessment of these various charges...

This is not fair, nor is it sensible. YOu ask us to 'bring forth the victims, but i have already (before i got a little melodramatic with you; and i do apologize if you took that as a personal attack, i sincerely wish you safe shifts and a healthy happy personal and professional life. i honestly do. but please also take some responsibility for all the quite provacative 'i don't care' statments...because a wide variety of citizenry does care about full disclosure and does think it important and essential to healing.

The Bethlehem chief and his officers are greatly respected. No one is trying to make good officers look like less that valued and important members of our society and culture. At least I never have.
There is indeed something very wrong about the franconia police department and chief's monti's coverup, along with the coverup by the selectboard and the inentionally disinformational and tampered 'report' coming out of Ayotte's office. Floyd was cleared almost immediately and the investigation was historically sloppy and intentionally left huge holes. You should be proud of the ciizens trying a good faith effort to expose criminality. It is not something approached with fun; nor glee. It is tragic. I do think Kenney's shooting of Mckay was provoked with intentional violence in violation of Liko's clear right to civilly request a back up officer, which he did repeatedly, with clear agreement to stop altogether at a public place where there would be witnesses to mitigate Mckay's violence. This place was SECONDS AWAY and back up offiers were alread enrouge...
Mckay has a history of over-reaction and violence in his stops.
If another officer in these villages had a similar reputation and a similar dark effect on the community, there would be a similar concern. Please remember, a cross section of Franconia citizenry has commented about Mckay's negative effet on the town; Mckay's torturing Liko with nightly visits to his driveway flashing the high beams in a juvenile, vicious and taunting way; to further unsettle a boy who had already been pushed to the point where he was working full time to save up enough money to leave the home he has a birthright to. Similar threats were made on the record to Mr. Stephenson, and others. Mckay had a problem; and an unprofessional attitude.
Please don't assume that the hidden materials are all just dust in the wind.

YOu have no idea of my family's blue collar background, exensive military service, nor the great personal love and affection all of my brothers and I grew up with toward cops, having one in our home kitchen several times a week, as my Dad's best friend, and world war two buddy, was a career officer; and i was imprinted very early on with associating officers in full blues and fully armed, as the guy who fed me oatmeal by the spoonful as when i was a toddler, and grew up loving him and his wife and his children were my closest and best and most beloved childhood friends...
i don't have a 'thing' for cops...if i do, it's a protective, supportive and caring 'thing' ...giving officers the benefit of the doubt in almost every instance personally.

On a visit to another state, i saw a naked man on a lot of disorienting drugs and/or psychotic problems, give the police a hard dangerous time in a busy roadway, and they were trying en masse, to simply capture him and get him some help; male and female officers, running around with great determination and lots of sweat in an attempt to simply capture this man and not hurt him; but he was being very very tough to talk to and calm down; and was on some kind of weird pcp (floyd's drug oc choice) that made it hard for even a half a dozne good officers' to gethim properly in custody...i intervened to the extent i could as a citizen to assure him no one was going to hurt him and i would stay with him...but he kept on losing it and running...at this point, traffic was whizzing by these officers and they were in serious danger; finally it took a swarm of at least a half dozen officers to bring him down; no one punched him; no one jabbed him; no one beat him; but he was tackled and shackled and still was going crazy...the officers put him in leg irons and finally had to hog tie him.
you should have seen how exhausted and concerned these good officers were...
...immediately a crowd draws on the sidewalk and starts chanting 'police brutality' police brutality; and screaming mean things at the cops...this shocked me, as i had been on the scene since the incident started and was first reported, and saw many brave and concscienctious officers working hard to get this obviously disturbed naked man having a bad drug experience and/or a pyschotic episode into some kind of safe conrol; for his own good, in a heavily trafficed area...the officers were sweat drenched and exhausted, but finally got things done...
i went to the crowd and told them 'bullshit' this is not police abuse, but got shouted down; i asked for the ranking officer and offered to make a statement as i had seen the entire incident and KNEW that the officer's did not abuse this citizen; and offered to sign a statement and/or show up in court if brutality charges were filed. I am not anti-cop. There are other incidents in my life where I came to direct aid of a female officer who was being violently kiced by a drunken street person as she was trying to cuff him; i drop kicked him in the chest, smacked him in the face and shouted how dare he kick out at that at a woman officer? She cuffed him and said thank you and i disappeared immediately so as not to embarass her, she was exhausted and had been assaulted; had she used MORE force initially, it would have been warranted.
i'm not saying i'm such the nice guy; i am appealing for your udnerstanding; yes my post got melodramatic and was angry at your repeated statements about how you 'don't care' and how nothing in the informatino that's been requested could give a better perspective on this partuclar officer. Let's face it, there are bad guys on both sides of the blue line...sticking up for a bad guy makes all the good guys wear some of the criminality that is not rightfully there's to get saddled with.
I think the AG's office and the obfuscations, and obviously tampered audio and video serve to hurt police relations and do not stand in support of our good officers.
You are entitled to disagree and i won't be rude because of that disagreement, but you did come on strong, and repeatedly overtly dissing ALL these efforts and findings, from here, and also from what you are about to learn from the family's lawyer and other independent news and research sources. This will come to pass. I respectully request out of personal concern for a true healing and a renewed respect and proud comfortability between police officers and citizens, that you don't come here with broad strokes dismising the 'data' and facts in evidence that Doyle thru his character HOlmes wisely states, and which you have auoted. It seemed you were playing both ends against the middle to me. NO INFORMATION COMING: IT WON"T MEAN ANYTHING ANYWAY: ALL COPS GET COMPLAINTS, and at the same time asking for 'data' ie evidence, which is being inentionally witheld.
This is surely an ongoing problem with this officer that other officers in our area, including several adjacent towns do not have.

So i won't make the distinction of assuming all cops are wrong in dicey paradigms, and never do...and would please appreicate if you would, at least inside yourself if not publically, admit that some cops have serious personal problems with power issues, and DO transfer this psychopathology to innocent citizens, causing much distress and personal damage, and a lifetime of big black bad mark on their permanent records. That's a lot of power and should be used with careful and professional discretion.

Mckay was provenly out of lien with several standard operating procedures, but not one offier, at least locally, has had the moxie to admit that possibility.

MANY officers from around the country saw that stop as something that was needlessly escalated into a tragedy, when a more professional and caring officer could have mitigated EACH stop with mr. kenney by communicating with him and assuring him of his personal safety.

IF we catch Mckay in one lie, and he has already been caught grossly off base according to sop, then we have to assume, as judges instruct juries, that the rest of the testimony is tainted.

Dear officer, and i mean that sincerely; good officers are dear to me and dear to the community; and respected and even loved, certainly honored...but there would be zero harm in releasing the complaints and comments; a judge and the the greater wisdom of the people would knock away any little bitching done by angry citiznes who's complaints were without merit; closing the door on ALL the evidence and pretending, or claiming that we've had our right to know reqests satisified is simply falacious.

So personal attacks aside, you will please consider taking responsibilty for what seems like angry and frustrated language you repeated here in defense of cpl. mckay...Did you deal with him personally? Was he honestly respected by the rank and file for being a righeous cop, or was there talk?
Please remember, we have a wealth of information that the AG office has obscured, and some of which she is not yet aware we are in physical possession of...
we are not talking out of our butts; as you will soon see. it behooves you to keep an open mind. I hope you do continue to post here, even if it's instark disagreement with other posters' perspecives...but it really does take two to make a bit of a dust up; and i feel you were provoking me by dismissing this entire effort which is MUCH bigger than just the posters on this blog, or the filings King is bringing to court, which we think is very important courageous step forward. I never blamed you for disagreeing per se..but for affirmative statements of mckays complete innocence...I accept your vehcile on vehicle eplanation as logical in terms of on the books 'deadly force' or 'lethal force' but still contend that those violent and jarring actions were uncalled for; totally uncalled for, easily desinged to injure and diable...as was Mckay's jumping the gun on backup before it could arrive and repeatedly ramming a complying citizen with a huge weighted truck agasints an old model toyota tinker toy supra...
and the gas attack was unwarranted as well; look at mckays happy smirk...
and yes the phone records have been asked for since day 1, because the 'invesigation' of floydie kreuger was either the most irresponsible investigation in law enforcement history when a double homicide resulted from a stupid TARGETTED one day late on registration stop...if not a stupid incompetent investigation than very much an intentinal coverup. Atottes statments of exoneration before the bodies were cold and before Floyd's true background, history and nature were accessed; including the scanne we KNOW was in his car...including his presence tracking Liko at the grovery store BEFORE the first stop, and him showing up exactly (after more truncated video and audio) when mckay was pulling his turnaround and targetting his victims, instead of just rolling on to Tamarack (as he did every night like clockwork to further torture this traumatized kid) where members of the public at a long standing respected business with a national reputation, and with many workers and clients and family present, and enough room for the backup officers, and indeed an entire squadron of backup officers and a complete swat team if one was necessary, (but it never was, LIko was simply as he indicated willing to stop where Mckay coudln't pull any of his private mean spirited violence on to the kid...let's remember he filed paperwork on the kid on a case he had nothing to do with, just to keep harassing Liko...and he took special time to visit the court when liko had a simple family dispute, to gloat and further upset the boy's reputation and sense of comfort in his own community inwhich he was born and raised...
hell, i'm a sensitive guy, and freely apologize sinerely for colorful or inapropriate language when angry and won't justify it but will have to say i was feeling intentinally provoked by your 'i don't care bout this ; i don't care about that...' after several posts quoting great detective literature that clearly calls for the thorough investigationwith all facts, even seeming inconsequential ones to the untamed nondetective eye, to ve relased for study and analysis.
So free of any saucy language or provoking languages; i do honstly think your lack of support for full disclosure shows fear of truth disclosed.
And that's a shame.
And it's antithetical to good law enformcement in an open society. Are you against the very notion of police accountability, or official accountability?
Why would a chief be given a lifetime pass and lifetime employement with nar a review, when his department is in shambles organizatinally, or when one of his officers, who was widely, and again and again with you because you won't admit it debate in fair earnestness, then wonder why some of my metaphor is a bit challenging, or less than totally polite, when again and again i tell you mckay was complained aout onthe reocord by a potpourri mixture of good citizens...

doing these forms in the presciribed legal matter thru the proper officals was a profile in courage, not in personal revenge against mr. mckay. they had to re-live the embarrasing and violent episodes again and again...
a good cop wouldn't have maced a kid in school putting other kids in danger. a good cop would have waited for the backup officers ALREADY SUMMONED AND EN ROUTE...
and not, seing clearly that liko had backed onto the mckenzie property completely at a standstill of his own volition, instead of trying an end run around him, or taking off in the other direction...or instead of, it has to be said, instead of just unhitching his seat belt, and killing mckay when mckay was sauntering over with his poision surprise...the kid did EVERYTHING he could do, and also what was LEGALLY PRESCRIBED to avoid violence and esclating this situation and got killed for his trouble...had he just shot mckay on the way in, or ANY TIME in the last four years of constant torture, then you could say copkiller and you'd have a point.
you excuse floydie krueger of being disorineted and acting out of instinct fear and shock, and he wasn't even gassed...he was a boastful killer who garnered the considerable concern of police chiefs in nearby towns...
i mean, after a bit get real...there's a differenece between honest disagreement and continally repeating the same non-facts as if they were gosepel.
That does piss people off.
As you knew i would. Again, i tell you; i have zero history of abusing women, either physcially or otherwise, something mckay, in his peronal or professional life could never complain so please don't worry about any women who would be sweet enough to love or care for me. they are safer than your most protected child i assure you.
police and citiznes need to come together in good spirit, and this coverup and intentional disinformation is purposeely and knowingly putting us at cross purposes, put out all the information and then say 'i told you guys you were off base' and we'd have to eat it...
if errant criminality does appear forcefully repeatedl and unquestionably, we still will not paint you with that broad brush; so please consider the kind of abuser you may be blindly supproting our of loyalty to your profession. BAD ones to get into the system, man. you know this officer. and once unchecked, they get more empowered and even worse.
Again, i have no personal emnity toward you;sorry if my lanaguae offended you; i'll be more careful in the future. i hope you would in all fairness make a similar admission and delcaraion.
nevetheless, i honestly wish you peace safety and well...and will work hard, you wil see, i will work hard to protect the police at large from the hatred and mistrust that's for sure and certain going to be arriving very soon when the latest factual revelations are made public.
so, don't bite off your advocaates head...or taunt them with myopic arguments over and over again without responding to their direct written concerns...that's always going to end in a slap contest...or a hopeless pissing contest.

in the wake of what's about to be revealed i's of paramount importance that police are given respect and kindness and support...please please be deserving of this, by keeping a level and objective head...
thank you for responding.
Here's hoping each and every shift you're on for the rest of your career, bring you home safe and satidfied with the joy of knowing you did a hard job with integrity and fairness.
Good luck to you. and best wishes.

Anonymous said...

I appreciate your response, from the length of the response you put a lot of time and thought into it. I will apoligize for my cavalier attitude about not caring. I should have stated I don't think you will find anything to substantiate any wrong doing in McKay's life by looking into his phone records, electric bill, personal e-mails and any other personal invasion. While McKay was a public official, he still deserves to have some privacy in his personal life. I also did not want the video to be released. I thought it would be too graphic and people did not need to see such violence, way too much violence in the media these days. It was released, but nobody was happy with the results. I don't think it showed McKay in any cuplable manner. I wasn't there and neither were you, to second guess what McKay or Liko was thinking is irresponsible. McKay's intentions might have been pure, I have read from other posts and sites that Liko had comments about the next time McKay pulled him over he was going to kill him. Is this truth or is it dangerous talk that should never have been uttered. You have two people each with a dislike for the other. I have never heard anyone mention hearing McKay state he was going to get Liko or he had a problem with Liko. Quite a few people heard Liko voice his opinion about McKay and other law enforcement in general.

I have never said anything about not letting to evidence, facts, to go to an outside agency. To have a clean look at the incident. But, who would you believe if the results came back as untainted. Would you continue on with your conspiracy theory.

I can understand the commentary in the Courrier this past Wednesday. I also read in the readers comments another equally disturbing picture of Liko. Sounds like Liko used fear and aggression to get his way quite often. Will you agree that is the portrait you want to paint of Mckay?

You state McKay stepped out side his SOP. SOP's are guidelines on how to do your job. I have read many times on this site things are black and white. Every situation you may come across may or may not be in your SOP. I don't think McKay was glaring outside the use of force policy in his SOP, I haven't read the FPD SOP so I am guessing. You paint a very graphic picture of Mckay's use of force upon Liko and Caleb. Poison being sprayed at them. I enjoy a nice spicy meal, with hot peppers, am I putting poison on my food. Liko was quite safe in his vehicle, not at all in danger of injury. I will give you he was probably shaken up and emotional upset. I don't think that gives him a pass to murder anyone.

McKay was a working cop, 300 violations in a year. That is an arrest or a traffic violation every 7 hours. That is nothing, in larger agancies, officer could get 5 moving violation in a day and sometimes 2-3 arrests. If the town people of Franconia did not want law enforcement of that type the people should have said something.

I know there are many bad cops out there and bad cops give the profession a black mark. I know a few and I will voice my opinion about them whenever I can. Kids get picked on in school so they choose a profession where they can enact their revenge on all the past slights. They have no business being where they are. I don't think Mckay fell into that category. I will acknowledge he had/has complaints against him. If you get what you want a full disclosure, I read the complaints are being compiled after they are redacted, and McKay was found to be way over the top in his policing style. I will be man enough to acknowledge my mistake. I have put myself out there by taking a view that can easily be disproven if the evidence is there. Will you ackowledge your mistake when the reports show there is not a conspiracy theory or will you continue with another take of the conspiracy theory.

I do not like the wild accusations, sexual molestions is a serious allegations. If he did it I will acknowledge it. But I will not take the allegations at face value from a blog that clearly has anto police overtones. Even the author of this blog has posted his great pleasure at McKay's pain and suffering.

I appreciate you thoughtfull post and acknowledge you point of views. I hope you will have the courtesy to acknowledge my different point of views.

Anonymous said...

McKay talked plenty about getting Liko Kenney. McKay had a penchant for rubbing his gun when he made these comments.

To a young man having dealt with McKay after him for 4 years, to have McKay, show up at the hearing 3 weeks prior to 5/11 (with no legal reason), tell him as he left the courthouse, "Whatever it takes I am going to get you", what do you suppose that felt like? Sounds like a threat to me. There are witnesses to this account.

Anonymous said...

Thank you for your response 8:42; i really very much appreciate it.
To answer, no i would not go on a personal vendetta re: Mckay should these complaints be found frivolous or whining vengance for their own clear violations, rather than if it portrays and is documenting things that a clear and diverse cross-section of ciizens find alarming and/or patentedly illegal.

If such agressive policing out of character and dimension with the other full time officers was part of the chief's, or the town's philosophy, then that, for me, is matter the town can take up with the chief and the selectboard & I've neither need nor desire to go on a campagign against the memory of Cpl. Mckay.

It's fair to say a cross section of people across the political spectrum and town dividing lines, are really upset with the veracity and style of AG Ayotte's report; and in fairness, there has been intentional disinformation and villification planted there, but even more importantly Floyd goes free, without a proper investiation at the time when it most counted, or even subsequent to that.

I guess there's a reason why this horrible tragedy got turned into a political football almost immediately by a 39 year old AG appointed two years ago, & currently one of the most powerful law encorcement positions in the country... with no on hands police experience, and certainly not a prosecutor of note, but certainly a politian with an ambitious agenda. And certainly behind a truly spectacularly self-conflicting 'report,' again, with materials truncated or erased, but that's just to make a point. The entire thing will get to court in one fashion or another in those regards, and the Judge can be The Judge.

I in no way 'enjoy' or 'need' any of this. Sometimes when things like this stare you right in the face, one tries for official accountability on the local and/or state level.

The accusations regarding Mckay's behavior, as many contend 'unprofessional,' need only the 'right to know' materials released responsibly. Holding them up, for long periods of time, and claiming certain essential documents 'lost' etc...is not quite going to come up to a respectable standard, so hopefully that will change soon.

My goal is NOT to paint anyone's memory in an unfair or unkind fashion; it's simply to get all the 'right to know' facts in evidence.

If Mckay was acting as a purposeful serial predator, intentionally targetting this fragile and admittedly reactive kid (by his own admission directly to Mckay in '03 when he tells the officer that he, Liko, is a mental patient and having the worse incident in his entire life...if this kid was targetted as an easy mark or a symbol of the family for which certain people have contempt born of jealousy, than that is illegal and improper, but the evidence will tell...the evidence will tell...

i'd be more than satisifed with just the evidence; then issues of accountability will be obvious to the local public and they can make changes on the local level as to accountabilty and related issues, such as renewing, re-confirming the chief every four years, subject to a modest and fair accounting and discussion, as even the highest elected officers come under the review of the electorate. That idea does not frighten me as it seems to frighten others.

My personal best case scenario if things are as clearly horrific here as some suspect and have offered theories and indeed 'proof' on...even if things were that out of line and criminal by this particular one officer...my personal best case scenario is one or two simple accountability procedures at the local level; not to carry this burning cross...
...but if it's proven that Mckay was an intentional predator off the rails in a number of cases, and if it's proven that he specifially & intentinoally targetted this kid on that day, never mind continually...then it naturally begs questions about the chief and the selectboard and the AG orchestration of disinfomation...that allowed this to continue, as they have all the info we are seeking.

I do acknowledge your differing points of views and your professional and personal perspective, in fact I value it.

If this is all noise, it will be just a noisy hollow memory pretty quickly. If there are major incidents of tangible genuine substance, as many do also feel strongly, then some here will have helped in some small or large way, to push for the truth even in the face of great attack.

Let's face it. What could be a more unpopular effort or movement on the face of it? Most eveyone in society reflexively flinches with shock and sadness, and anger when they hear of a cop getting killed on the job; That's how I felt when i first heard about this; even tho i do know Liko's parents to be extremely non-violent and caring people...my first reaction was oh nooooooooooo he did WHAT!!??????!!! OHMYGOD HE DID WHAT!!????

i wasn't looking for a soapbox, and each post here has been less than fun, and more draining than is good for me, but facts started to come out in perspective, and Ayotte's con job (No matter what the final determination, Ayotte WAS in there immediatley cutting Floyd loose and immediately giving false statments to the press. Stuff way above and beyond expressing proper shock, sadness and mourning period for any slain peace officer...
peace officer...
i will write a post on peace officers some day soon.

Lynch and others handled this with dignity and respect, voiced their shock and sadness without going into political dirty tricks power squad mode. and that is the origin of much of the controversary that surrounds this...the facts are the facts...they will come out, they will be absorbed; and i still believe a general consensus will see them fairly clearly in perspective; and i've no issue with that.

There's been a lot of charges and feathers a'flying here, some on really good close information from the principals involved and the folks right here in this small community; some of it, perhaps specious in the larger legal sense, but the evidence and information in context will tell the story and I'll abide by that.
If needbe, I'll continue to personally advocate some kind of fair, and friendly citizen's review model along the lines of brattleboro vt, or several nh towns...
if the evidentiary materials that are coming in to play, show Mckay to be a rogue, it's going to directly involve the chief and the selectboard however, as they would have sanctioned this and hidden it and pretty much encouraged it while covering it up.
So, you can understand why the holding off of these materials makes some of very angry and suspicious.
The selectboard received documents from a reconcilation committee espeically formed to gather public opinion and information and are keeping it sealed. they are keeping the complaint file and other aspects of the offier's record under seal...this arouses more than suspicion as you can imagine.

If Mckay is absolutely proven to have been proactive predator in this case, in addition to forcing it's continued escalation to the sad termination of two local lives, then we have quite a mess on our hands; but nothing that can't be fixed on the local level with some simple procedures administratively.
how much the soul of the machine, so to speak, will have been damaged if it's been proven complicit with outright cruel and unusual illegal punishment, even terror tactics...then the selectboard is going to have to sit there and take their shots, or resign, or wait to be summarily impeached or unelected.

I want evidence, investigation, truth and accountability, like most folks do...not a game of hero and villains and perception mindgames.

Not from here, not from anywhere.
Thank you again for responding sensitively; it's very much personally appreciated.

Anonymous said...

9:03
Maybe he did may be he didn't say those thing or maybe the truths lies somewhere in between.

I find your post disturbing. I assume you are one of the witnesses.
Why did you not report this verbal assault to somebody, Chief of Police, Selectman, AG, anybody. If McKay did say those things, he would have been clearly ruled out of order and unprofessional. Liko could have had the ultimate revenge on McKay without having to kill anybody.

If you are not one of the witnesses , you need to go to the person that told you, and that person needs to go to the person that told that person until you get to the actual witness and that witness needs to go on the record to what he had heard. If it doesn't it will be discounted and 2nd or 3rd hand hearsay.

Anonymous said...

8:42
You paint a very graphic picture of Mckay's use of force upon Liko and Caleb. Poison being sprayed at them. I enjoy a nice spicy meal, with hot peppers, am I putting poison on my food. Liko was quite safe in his vehicle, not at all in danger of injury. I will give you he was probably shaken up and emotional upset. I don't think that gives him a pass to murder anyone.

wondering if your nice, spicy meal with hot peppers shot into your face would be as appealing?
how about a nice ram to your vehicle to rock you a bit before slapping that meal to your face?

your cool, calm understatements reflect black and white thinking on your part as you connect them to "murder". there are some gaping holes.

a good day, sir.

Anonymous said...

I have been in automobile accidents where my vehicle was violently tossed, I have been sprayed with pepper spray, five times. On each occasion I never had the urge to open up at point blank range and shoot somebody as they are walking away. So I may not be able to know what Liko was feeling on that day, but I have had similar experiences like many other citizens.

Anonymous said...

8:04
I have been in automobile accidents where my vehicle was violently tossed, I have been sprayed with pepper spray, five times. On each occasion I never had the urge to open up at point blank range and shoot somebody as they are walking away. So I may not be able to know what Liko was feeling on that day, but I have had similar experiences like many other citizens.

are you, therefore, condoning the ramming of a complaint, private citizen's car by a police vehicle ,and the routine macing of citizens by a police officer because it is commonplace to do so?

i have likely been living under a rock in sweet safety over my long, sheltered, blessed life, so far.

let's factor in the animosity and history between liko and mckay, and liko's presumed state of shock and fear during the 5/11 traffic stop to understand what might be to you, and some others, an improbable response to fire on mckay.

i cannot state, with absolute certainty, that i would not have done the same.

Anonymous said...

11:30 post should read "compliant", not "complaint"

Christopher King said...

8:42

You like to misrepresent what I said about McKay's injuries because at no point in time have I every been gleeful about any of this, but I HAVE pointed out that a reasonable person could find that McKay was full of it when he claimed that Liko grabbed his junk in 2003 (and the AG/Union Leader not providing the squad car commentary when Liko EXPLICITY refutes that fuels my suspicion as does the way that McKay never touches his junk when he claims it was injured).

Ask any guy what you do when you get your junk busted; you cup your hand over it and pray.

So given that, I SECONDED someone who said that it was ironic that Liko's car did indeed get him in the junk this time.

GOTCHA, I guess would be an operative term if I could borrow that from Bruce.

Anyway, even my removed comment about spitting on McKay's grave was not something I said out of glee but rather out of ANGER that this man could scare so many people for so long and have carte blanche:

Even his landlord who is a high-powered lawyer.

Even campers with children.

In sum, this clip from a comment in this sections caught my eye:

"There is indeed something very wrong about the franconia police department and chief's monti's coverup, along with the coverup by the selectboard and the inentionally disinformational and tampered 'report' coming out of Ayotte's office. Floyd was cleared almost immediately and the investigation was historically sloppy and intentionally left huge holes. You should be proud of the ciizens trying a good faith effort to expose criminality. It is not something approached with fun; nor glee. It is tragic.

I do think Kenney's shooting of Mckay was provoked with intentional violence in violation of Liko's clear right to civilly request a back up officer, which he did repeatedly, with clear agreement to stop altogether at a public place where there would be witnesses to mitigate Mckay's violence. This place was SECONDS AWAY and back up offiers were alread enrouge...

Mckay has a history of over-reaction and violence in his stops.

If another officer in these villages had a similar reputation and a similar dark effect on the community, there would be a similar concern. Please remember, a cross section of Franconia citizenry has commented about Mckay's negative effet on the town; Mckay's torturing Liko with nightly visits to his driveway flashing the high beams in a juvenile, vicious and taunting way; to further unsettle a boy who had already been pushed to the point where he was working full time to save up enough money to leave the home he has a birthright to. Similar threats were made on the record to Mr. Stephenson, and others. Mckay had a problem; and an unprofessional attitude.

Please don't assume that the hidden materials are all just dust in the wind."