10 July 2007

WMUR agrees that Liko Kenney should have driven for witnesses in Franconia shooting tragedy.

I love this story right right here where they tell you what to do if you are in fear or apprehension for your life when approached by a plainclothes police officer. Problem is, Bruce McKay made many people in Franconia feel that way regardless of what he was wearing, because they all knew he would pull stunts like threatening people with his hand on his gun as he did to Tim Stephenson -- which the state (read NH AG Kelly Ayotte) had full knowledge of but failed to tell us as noted in this post.

Need I remind you of what Connie McKenzie, on whose lawn he died said?
"People didn't trust Bruce McKay and they didn't like him. Heck I was afraid of him....These women, and others around town, described McKay as an overzealous cop who treated even minor infractions as major crimes. They said people complained about McKay to the local Selectmen and to the police department, but no one took any action."
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That's why every politico who comes to New Hampshire is going to hear the Truth about NH AG Kelly Ayotte -- and watch it in "Franconia 5/11" -- when they come to town in the coming months.

Liko Kenney was NOT the only person to disregard Bruce McKay's authoritaaaaay. Perhaps that's why Brucie was so upset with him, though, and rammed his little Toyota with that Tahoe, and emptied a can of mace on Liko and Caleb without any directive or comment, with Shooter Floyd waiting in the wings for a little rumble if necessary. Well he got what he asked for, sorry to say.

76 comments:

Anonymous said...

Police Offer Advice When Pulled Over By Unmarked Car

If the unmarked car stops, a driver can take several steps to stay safe. State police Capt. Mike Hambrook said that a driver can open the window a crack and ask for identification. Drivers can also ask for a uniformed officer to come to the scene or call 911 and ask.
"Tell them you've been stopped, you're alone and really uncomfortable with the situation," Hambrook said. "A legitimate officer's not going to have a problem with that."

Hambrook said that drivers can also drive to a more public place if they are in a darkened area or back road.



We know if the car was unmarked and the woman was attacked, we would be hearing the same exact information in regards of what to do.

TRULY....how is this different than what Liko went through? He KNEW there was nothing but trouble for him dealing with McKay. He had full knowledge of this and it was not an un-based or paranoid fear. He was extremely uncomfortable with another Officer not being present. Of course, calling 911 would have done Liko no good as McKay had assured that anyone coming would not give Liko any kind of help. I find it interesting that this article says that any legitimate cop would not have a problem with other LE being called to the scene. The article also states you can drive to a more open place if it is dark or you are on a back road.

There absolutely needs to be something put into law that protects the motorist from possible danger. Ayotte made mention that it would be not be functional time wise for a person to ask for back-up. If the motorist is willing to wait, I don't think the cop is going to be held up from stopping a bank robber by waiting for another Officer.

I would also like to point out the fact that the Sugar Hill cop that was responding from the first request has said that he and McKay had become quite good friends. McKay specifically asked for Sugar Hill. Both the Sugar Hill cop and another referred to that call as requesting a "specific" cop not just Sugar Hill, so it is reasonable to assume that it was a known thing who McKay wanted to back him up in this particular scenario. That specific Officer is the one with the "I'm familiar with the name" comment.

Some have said that it was unreasonable for Liko to want to get to his Uncles to bear witness. What is the difference in that than McKay wanting specific Officers to respond and back him up.

Anonymous said...

I posted about a week ago on WMUR's forum thread on the Franconia shootings and it was never posted.


How interesting WMUR, that my submitting post from over a week ago for this forum thread was rejected or simply ignored. I know that I was within the guidelines of forum requirements. I also notice that you put what is obviously meant for the condolences to Bruce McKay's family on this thread, perhaps to end the responses of others. You have proven that you are an extremely biased paper with loyalty to your own agenda and not to true honest journalism.

Anonymous said...

Debby, I have noticed that WMUR is not posting anything new in the forums. The date listed as the last post does not agree with the posts that are shown either.

PF

Anonymous said...

WMUR agrees that Liko Kenney should have driven for witnesses in Franconia shooting tragedy

Ok...where does it say this... The article says "If the unmarked car stops, a driver can take several steps to stay safe" the vehicle was not umarked, and the officer was not out of uniform.

I just happen to come across this website recently, and it is a disgrace! What do you do for a real job -- why don't you commit your time to something that might be a little more worth while, like volunteer for a non profit do something that can give positive results...I don't see any results as of yet, no one that you attack has lost their jobs -- and I don't think you will see that any time soon.

Foro Van Neinbaaster said...

Liko Kenney was NOT the only person to disregard Bruce McKay's authoritaaaaay.

Although that spoiled brat Liko was one the few to disregard human life; maybe out of spite.

Perhaps that's why Brucie was so upset with him, though, and rammed his little Toyota with that Tahoe

Perhaps that's why Chris King JD should be less hypocritical and acknowledge that Bruce McKay was acting according to the situation where a suspect was runining away from the traffic stop which was based on speeding and expired registration. Perhaps Chris King should also stop equating the fallen officer to a piece of turd in his not so eloquent posts, and call the deseased person "Brucie". Perhaps the failed Juris Doctor Mr.King should also acknowledge that Liko carrying that gun in his car was illegal and that fact didn't have to do with "authoritaaaaay", as our Juris Doctor likes to spell it, but rather with local gun law.

and emptied a can of mace on Liko and Caleb without any directive or comment

Also perhaps, the sushi-eating and SAAB-driving hypocrite C.King should remember from the police video, that Liko was ordered to stop and that was a directive. It was Liko's choice to induldge in this incredibly dumb behavior where he would get high on weed, strap on his gun and speed away from a trivial traffic stop, then empty the clip into the officer whereas his own life was not in danger.

Foro Van Neinbaaster said...
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Foro Van Neinbaaster said...

TRULY....how is this different than what Liko went through?

Let me try to explain, Mr.JD.

He KNEW there was nothing but trouble for him dealing with McKay.

... or any other officer, for that matter -- true! Being intoxicated, driving above the speded limit with expired registration and carrying a gun illegaly would get anyone -- me, you, and even Liko -- in trouble with law all right.

He had full knowledge of this and it was not an un-based or paranoid fear.

I have to hand it to you, Juris Doctor, this time you got it right. He knew that he was breaking the law (a few individual statutes) and that he was in trouble. Being an infantile spoled brat, he chose to not own up for his infractions and instead hysterically pulled his gun and killed a human being.

Anonymous said...

I found something interesting while browsing the web for OC Spray info.

Amnesty International Public document - AI Index AMR 51/72/2000 - News Service Nr. 92

17 May 2000

USA: Ruling limiting police use of pepper spray -- a positive step

The recent ruling restricting police use of pepper spray to subdue nonviolent protesters is a positive step toward eradicating a potentially lethal practice, Amnesty International said today.

Earlier this week the UN Committee against Torture criticized the USA about "the number of cases of police ill-treatment of civilians...". The misuse of pepper spray by US police was one of a number of concerns raised by Amnesty International in its report to the Committee.

The San Francisco federal appeals court ruled on 4 May that the use of Oleoresin Capsicum (OC) spray (also known as "pepper spray") may in some circumstances constitute an unconstitutionally "unreasonable use of force".

"However, due to the risks associated with pepper spray, its use is questionable in any circumstances," Amnesty International stressed.

The ruling does not ban the use of OC spray, but indicates that there are limitations on when it is appropriate for use by law enforcement agents.

The ruling stemmed from incidents in 1997 in which Humboldt Country law enforcement officials in California swabbed liquid OC directly into the eyes of non-violent anti-logging protesters and sprayed the caustic chemical into the protesters' faces from inches away. Amnesty International at the time condemned the action as "tantamount to torture".

After a federal judge had dismissed a civil rights suit brought by the protesters on the ground that the procedure caused only "transient pain", a three-judge panel revived the case. They noted that "The evidence suggests the protesters suffered excruciating pain" from the use of the pepper spray, and because the protesters posed no danger to anyone at the time, a jury should decide if that amount of force was unreasonable under the circumstances. The 4th Amendment to the US Constitution allows police to use only as much force as is "reasonable" to make an arrest.

"This ruling should clearly signal to law enforcement officers that it is no longer acceptable to use pepper spray in such a calculated and deliberate way to inflict pain as a way of subduing demonstrators who pose no threat ," Amnesty International said.

"We now hope that it will influence police practises not only in California, but in the USA as a whole."

Amnesty International is renewing its call on the US federal authorities to establish an independent nationwide review of the use of OC spray by law enforcement and correctional agencies.

"All agencies should either cease using OC spray or introduce strict guidelines and limitations on its use, with clear monitoring procedures," the organization said. To Amnesty International's knowledge no such review has yet taken place and monitoring continues to be inadequate.

Background
International law encourages the development of non-lethal weapons but it states that such weapons should be "carefully evaluated" and their use "strictly controlled". Yet, the use of OC spray by police agencies in the USA is not governed by a regulatory agency. Amnesty International has long expressed concern at the lack of consistent monitoring of the use of OC spray by US law enforcement agencies and at its inappropriate use in the case of non-violent demonstrators.

In December 1999 Amnesty International wrote to the Seattle authorities to express concern about reports of police using large quantities of OC spray and tear-gas indiscriminately against non-violent protesters, residents and bystanders during the World Trade Organization demonstrations. Some non-violent protesters who refused to leave police buses on arrival at Seattle detention centres alleged that police officers pulled back their eyelids and put pepper spray or gel into their eyes, nose and mouth. Another protester alleged that he had pepper foam deliberately rubbed into his eyes with a cloth after being strapped into a restraint chair in King County jail.

Since the early 1990s, more than 90 people in the USA are reported to have died in police custody after being exposed to OC spray. While most deaths have been attributed by coroners to other causes, such as drug intoxication or positional asphyxia, or are unexplained, there is concern that OC spray could be a factor in some cases. For example, just a week ago a 30-year-old man from Colorado Springs died after deputies at a country jail (El Paso Criminal Justice Center) tried to control him with pepper spray. Andrew J.Spillane, who was in custody on suspicion of drug-related offences, began having problems breathing after being sprayed; he died a few hours later.
ENDS.../

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For more information please call Amnesty International's press office in London, UK, on +44 20 7413 5566
Amnesty International, 1 Easton St., London WC1X 0DW

http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGAMR510722000?open&of=ENG-391

Anonymous said...

7:10,

Are you unfamiliar with "tongue in cheek"? Apparently.

Anonymous said...

foro,

Where did you conjure up these facts? Being intoxicated and speeding or that he was pulled over for having a weapon?

He had an expired registration (those are McKay's words) and any reasonable cop would have let Liko know that back-up was coming.


McKay was an over-indulged rogue cop, allowed to have full reign over "His Subjects".


"... or any other officer, for that matter -- true! Being intoxicated, driving above the speded limit with expired registration and carrying a gun illegaly would get anyone -- me, you, and even Liko -- in trouble with law all right."

Anonymous said...

theeeeerrre baaaaaccckkk.....

Come to hurl more insults? Not content that you cannot control every avenue of media sources available to us. I find it quite fascinating that you want to even come on this forum and proves to us how a small group can make such an impact. You hate and disagree with us, so just imagine how many people are coming here to see what we have to say that DO question the ridiculous story coming from the AG.

McKay represented LE. He held a position of power and authority and should be held responsible for the mis-use of that power, even in death. You do not hear people tell of the horror situations they found themselves in over most other local cops. McKay abused his power and it is beyond the death of these two men.....he abused it with many. You want to take Liko's less than pristine background and call it grounds for McKay being a poor manager of his power? This would NEVER have happened if he had been removed from the PD a very long time ago. He was not fit to serve as an Officer and you cannot blame his behavior on Liko Kenney.

I for one think we should be able to count on our LE to be men in their positions of power and not bullies.

Anonymous said...

Let's be realistic foro,

Liko would have gotten a ticket that day or received it in the mail later. Ego is what made McKay choose his course of action..... "I am the Super Power, comply and never, ever disobey me".

Anonymous said...

TO the uninformed: carrying an unloaded handgun WITHOUT a license openly on your person, or in your car is perfectly legal in the state of NH.

You only need a handgun license to carry it loaded and/or concealed. Please get your facts straight.

was Liko's weapon loaded before the stop? I don't know, but if it wasn't, he wasn't breaking the law by carrying it.

Anonymous said...

When is the potluck fundraiser for Chris' movie? This is a good idea, I hope it comes to fruition. A movie will translate well into other outlets and to interested parties around the globe what Chris and the advocates are trying to accomplish here. Its really not about Liko or McKay anymore (though I can sense in Chris ' words that he has a spiritual tie to Liko, understands what troubled him), its more about the idea that people are trying to gain some control over their government in its day to day presence in their life. Citzen's boards, censure of official action, and creating a source of information other than the WMURs of the world are possible, and that is what Kingcast and the Chris King led coalition is about. In the specific, we are piercing the thin blue line, but in the broader sense we are asking people to empower these ideas, and asking Chris King to be the spokesperson.

Chris is capable and trustworthy. We have nothing to lose.

Foro Van Neinbaaster said...

You only need a handgun license to carry it loaded and/or concealed. Please get your facts straight.

Well, I assumed it was loaded. But, if it wasn't loaded at the time of the traffic stop, that would mean that Liko did load it only after he saw McKay, and that signifies intent. That makes Liko's murder two into murder one, if that's what you prefer, and makes Liko even more of a bastard.

Foro Van Neinbaaster said...

Debbie,

McKay represented LE. He held a position of power and authority and should be held responsible for the mis-use of that power, even in death.

Next time cops try to pull you over, and you are high, try to refuse to stop and keep driving. I guarantee that in any state, under any circumstance, you will end up arrested in a most unpleasant manner, put in handcuffs, booked at the station etc. Because that's what a person desrves for being a schmuck. It doesn't matter if the officer is McKay or anybody else.

Anonymous said...

Foro Van Neinbaaster said...

You only need a handgun license to carry it loaded and/or concealed. Please get your facts straight.

Well, I assumed it was loaded. But, if it wasn't loaded at the time of the traffic stop, that would mean that Liko did load it only after he saw McKay, and that signifies intent. That makes Liko's murder two into murder one, if that's what you prefer, and makes Liko even more of a bastard.


INTENT TO WHAT? What part about Liko fearing this man DON'T you seem to get? Intent to protect his life if necessary. Do you you think he had some devious plan to get him to Tamarack, shoot him and have his Uncles and Caleb bury him in the field or something?

People are able to admit that Liko had flaws and made mistakes. People are able to say that Liko should not have killed McKay.

The McKay supporters seem only capable of seeing him as perfect - perfect in his actions that day and perfect previously as an Officer of the law. Some one spoke of fairy tales earlier and this is what they are made of.

We can only truly learn from seeing the mistakes of all involved and that means, the State, Franconia PD, Selectmaen, Citizens, McKay and Liko. This is how we heal.

Liko might have gone about it the wrong way and become jaded but his original intent was his belief in our civil rights as American Citizens.

I do not personally believe that McKay had any respect for Liko's rights or any of the rest of our rights.

I stand in the core essence of Liko's beliefs in human rights and freedom for us all.

Anonymous said...

critics shoot the messenger and display their own will to remain ignorant of the many facts and laws broken by the attorney general...
these denial laden attacks are interesting...here you see why fascism can take over a state or a country or region in a flash...
...to this critic, this site is a disgrace...
all the work that has gone down here week after week, day after day...
...all the direct and overt criminality exposed...mckay's horrifying record, Ayotte's illegal and immoral evidence destruction...
...this is to be expected...
these people are satisifed with fascism thinking it could never come to them or their family or neighbors...they care nothing for the law, or all of Mckay's documented criminality...they are content to live in denial, and to attack others who care about their communities and the truth...and care about a working kid who was tortured and ultimately killed by a murderer conman in cahoots with mckay...
...it's good to see the kind of errant self righteous stupidity, and irresponsibility that comes from folks who just want to be told what reality is but a thirty something ideologue appointed by the cynical and vicious as chief law enforcement officer in the state...
pathetic, expected tho...
listen critics, you are irrelevant...you have sat there and done nothing but throw stones in your cruel ignorance...you are very much behind the times and the research...and you are irrelevant to this process, and to the quest, and have neither stomach nor courage enough to step up here with folks carrying the absolute fearless DEMAND for the truth...
...thanx for posting...yeh, we know the spin, we know you're spun...we know ag office is being cleansed from the parasite murdering criminals running appointed to run the state...
we know we are taking control of cleaning out the rats nest of cowardly reactionaries in 'authority' up here...
(they are no longer respected as "authorties" by anyone...
...so, throw a few stale old stones, feel self righteous in your ignorance...
the "disgrace" is on attorney general and franconia police chief and select board...and they will pay for their irresponsibility and endangering the community...
...and you will do nothing except show what a "disgrace" it is to have a folded back one dimensional mind and a reactionary cold heart...
which makes you irrelevant at best...and an impotent insect at best...

never you mind what happened, the history, or the truth of all this BRILLIANTLY observed and worked out scearios stemming from nothing more than a vicious criminal attempt to spin the story for folks who aren't too very dedicated to their own Constitution or laws...
...folks who will arrogantly dismiss other people's non stop work and advocacy...many peoples...as a "disgrace"...

foro bon ballsmissing shows the same tired spin again and again, even in the face of so many disclosed facts...a professional troll, but each and everyone of you has been handed your dumb ass, one by one...and then you sneak off for awhile, while honest caring citizens do the work...so you can throw your irrelevant stink bombs into the fray...only they mean nothing...they really show you to be clueless and dedicated to that ignorance...and contributing to the lawless crooks appointed to poison the environment, literally, and spiritually...
hey foro von nutsberger, why not go up to floyd's house and thank him for his heroism...just walk right up there...really, it'll be okay...he's a hero...needs your support...he's been thru a lot...just drive up there and let him know how you feel...
i would really appreciate that...honor your hero...
go on and git now...
let us know how it works out...or have your survivors tell us where the services are so we can formulate a big parade or something...
...
funny how 'law and order' types are the first to suck off the government tit, and the first to support the eichmanns, goebbels, Ayottes...to fuel to the fire of vigilante justice endorsed by this ambitious lying young appointee...
you are from the 'crucible'...(that's a play, written in a b.o.o.k.)
where the townspeople turn murderous, over a superstitious law spun by locals in power, assured they were acting for the very hand of God himself...
while hysterically hanging member after member of their own community...

the wicked witch will be melted...the wizard behind the curtain are the rnc idealogues that keep placing incompetent young idealogues into puppet positions of power to enrich themselves and enslave the people who support them...there's your 'disgrace'...right in the mirror.

u r transparent, and irrelvant...and show no interest in the weeks of UNPAID research done by many to clean up Ayottes dirty and dangerous presence in this state...

in short, a reactionary wimp, waving the pirate flag, convinced it's an american flag...pathetic...
you are no example of good values or good citizenship...believe as you will, you can't stop the truth train now...
not even Ayotte can, and her professional career is about over...and her prisoner career is about to start...
next comment please...

Anonymous said...

According to Caleb's statement Liko was not rude to McKay and attempted communicating with him. McKay was not interested. Who was the schmuck?

McKay was looking for trouble and he got it. You do not know if Liko was high as the report said traces and did not quantify the level. He could have smoked any time that day or I believe even the prior night.

Liko also did not refuse to stop as you well know, he asked if they could move to a safer environment where they would have witnesses.

If I act like a schmuck based on a cops opinion then I deserve to be treated poorly and handcuffed in a very unpleasant manner? I suppose the unpleasant manner is determined by the cop as well, huh?

How about if the cop impersonator had been a real cop? How would the woman have been treated then if she drove to another location?

We need laws that are clearly defined for both sides. Just because you wear a badge doesn't mean I am safe with you.

Let us agree to disagree.

Anonymous said...

fas·cism (fshzm)
n.
1. often Fascism
a. A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
b. A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.
2. Oppressive, dictatorial control.

GET IT??!?

Anonymous said...

That pretty much sums up our current state of affairs in this country!

Sadly.

Anonymous said...

11:56,

Your post are very recognizable. They are insightful, smart, clever and witty, sarcastic and at times quite funny.

Just wanted you to know that I appreciate them. They are fresh and born out of an obvious stream on consciousness once you get rolling.

Thanks.....

Anonymous said...

good point anonymous, ty for definition; if i might respectfully add, another of the basic tenants of fascism, or rather extrapolate on the "censorship" factor clearly defined in what you were kind enough to paste...and ty...
in every case, this 'censorship' issues also directly relates to government and media being in cahoots...

bernays, an interesting name to google sometime....
...the father of p.r. and the nephew of freud, and a consultant to most of the big corporationg originating in the twentieth century, as consultant to the Third Reich also...
the scientific techniques, really laid out simply, that allow the 'big lie' to be promoted ceaselessly thru the press, and with huge displays of uniformed worshippers in a frenzy...

thus you saw journalist wang (AP) do the contemporary journalists job...eat the spin, and project it outward, and get paid for it...
and you saw Chris kick Wangs lying and devioius ass all up and down the entire NE states...
and we slowly see the legitimate press spreading out and covering the more important, and truthful ramifications...

just sayin'...inherent in the fascist paradigm is government and media in collaboration to disempower the populace...
everyone thinks it can't happen here...sinclair lewis comes to mind...
but it can...and does, increasingly...
this is an excellent example of the best of our young americans banning together with intelligence and insight and fairness, to put truth to the big lie...to not go to sleep at night complicitly secure when a criminal like Ayotte is strutting her wingnut stuff, or polluting the town of Bethlehem with her crony Gould ESQ. to the tune of huge financial support from NCES...we've seen them bribe people right on Main St. in Bethlehem, don't anyone even try to tell us it isn't happening on a huge scale in Concord...

so thanx for the definition...just brought to mind the 'press' always complicit and collaborating in these efforts...
what's left of a free press here is already asking the right questions...
...and that is extrapolating out into the legit press...because it's a sexy story and they'll want 'IN' on the advert bucks...watch...everything's gonna change perception wise...
the authorities STILL SHOW the cowardice, lack of leadership, the hushed silences and stonewalling, the disinformation in the guise of 'healing and moving on'...which is treated with understandably righteous disdain by many in our communities...

you see how it happens!! because it's still happening...that's there MO...protect THEMSELVES, and their boards, and jobs, and their family ties in local politics and real estate...we see the game...

and if the truth gets sacrificed, or a murderer nutjob walks free...we have to fight for phone records and evidence...we get it corrupted and spun and destroyed in places...
the people here are better and more responsible than any detectives...because they won't let the actual detectives investigate that...they've drawn a circle around themselves...
they protect their own asses, they serve their own asses...they have contempt for the truth, the law and the community...
and this devisivenss is INTENTIONALLY being fueled, so that sides can be drawn, the better to fox news attack attack attack...
like ann coulter, a peer of Ayotte, philosophically and generationally...just throw out attack attack attack spin spin lies lies...
never truly engage...
it's amusing in a cartoon character terrorist tv star idealogue...it's cause for disbarment if you're the Attorney General...

interestingly, The Crucible, based on real events, not that very long ago, took place in a small New England town...
...everything by 'law' of course, due and proper...
and so innocent people were hung in public, after being tortured in the name of the Lord...
yeh, it really happened...
research 'bernays' if anyone's interested...
there IS a science and technology to their techniques...and they usually work pretty well...
for a while...
feel that clock ticking louder kelly???
sure you do hon...
you just got shot by a computer,,,and it's not 'officer' down...because you don't deserve to call yourself an officer of the law...
you're a pennsylvania state college educated wingnut that sucks up to the right people to have a fabulously wealthy career accepting bribes for polluting pristine water tables in a NATIONAL forest...releasing murderders for political gain, with NO investigation of professional quality...
her ass will be kicked up down and sideways in the civil cases, and she will have to respond to increasing lawsuits and pressure on her due to her exposed lies and corruption...bad time to be so overtly corrupt wingnut girl...while you weren't watching, the rest of society, all spectrums, got really sick to death of it...

they want trouble...they want justifications...they want something big in the news to wash this away...they are working on it night and day...
hold steady...they are snakes with millions from the rnc, cassella and the like...and they are not out of tricks...
good thing is, they are so dumb and transparent, every time they open their lying mouths, the rest of society gets to see them for what they are...
so they hush...
but they will come up with something big and distracting pretty soon...
because they are desperate.
because they are rats
because they are trapped...

watch ayotte, watch the fp chief, watch local le, watch select board...
this is citizen journalism at it's best...

out west some citizens banded together on net, and just using simple logic and communication, they reduced the search area for a lost hiker from the governments 5000 plus square miles...to a tenth of that...and the hiker was found in time...
they just got together on a blog...their communication never hampered by jealous le in one county or another, trying to coordinate this huge effort...and they were losing time, losing perspective, costing a fortune, and doing nothing much...
a few young people got online and figured it out...cut the the red tape, communicated with each other...informed the first responders...and a life was saved...
it's a new day...
there is more truth here than in the media...
more responsible and careful investigative work, even at a distance and working with corrupted reports...than in the professional le community of detectives...
that means someone is holding them back...
because we've got good cops...some one is paralyzing and politicking them...
no one's trying to 'resolve' or 'heal' or have 'reconcilation' meetings of any true meaning...it's a dance of illusion...

expect more trolls, here to intimidate, tease...try to get a crazy statement out of someone so they can disempower these efforts...
play u like a fish, like mckay played liko...an easy target...except for that last couple of seconds anyway...
it's all transparent...
and now, the news:

Christopher King said...

Foro, good to hear from you again, even though you have REPEATEDLY failed to answer any of the questions I've presented to you in the past.

And the one thing you cannot ignore is the simple fact that you have to be a real bully cop for someone like Connie to disallow any rememberance of your presence on the propert on which you died.

There is so much the Government doesn't want people to know about this case it's sickening.

But I'm a single guy and no mouths to feed other than my own and I've got the evidentiary files and the ability to sue for McKay's personnel file and Tim Stephenson's arrest file so it will be told in the short film, "Franconia 5/11."

Next week comes that publication I've been telling you about, and it will be all around Greater Boston and beyond.

Namaste, aloha, peace.

********

Getting those files and showing how abusive our Government can truly be is the highest purpose in my life right now whether you or anyone else appreciates it or not.

I'll send you the schedule for oral argument so you can come heckle there while I spank Attorey Mullen's evidence-concealing behind.

-c

Anonymous said...

AMEN

Posting anonymously has its merits, in that exchanges may become less personally directed. If a few identified people begin to dominate a forum, personalities may take on lives of their own.

Anonymous said...

oh and ty debby...i get so much inspiration and level headed perspective from your caring spirit...and incisive, searching, caring, courageous posts.
ty much
anonymuss
:)

Christopher King said...

11:37

What you don't know is that I have reason to believe that Liko WAS within his rights to request another officer.

McKay refusing to give him one further heightened his fear.

This will come out in due time.

Anonymous said...

Did it not just come out?

Anonymous said...

I love you guys. Big hug. Sigh.

Christopher King said...

8:21

Amazing story. Thank you for that; it could provide the basis for the next post.

1:18

Thank you for the Spirit.

Namaste.

Christopher King said...

And umm... yeah, FORO Murder one, Murder two Man one, Man two, justifiable homicide.... those are all questions for a JURY, not for a raging lunatic like Floyd who "happened" to be in the neighborhood, all concerned about a cop for once in his life instead of threatening them with third eyes and causing the Easton Police Chief to worry he might appear at the school or a neighbor's house brandishing an automatic weapon.

In case you missed that, here it is.

http://christopher-king.blogspot.com/2007/07/kingcast-says-hey-kelly-heres-your-hero.html

"All of us have made mistakes in our lives; in Mr. Floyd's case the behavior extends beyond a mistake; there is a pattern, a pattern of past violence, paranoid behavior and excessive anger. While no one can predict the future, I feel Mr. Floyd is capable of showing up at Lafayette Elementary School or at a neighbor's house with an automatic weapon and that the danger to the public safety far outweighs the minimal intrusion a check of his premises for automatic weapons would represent."

Christopher King said...

10:18

Wow, I missed your vote of confidence.

Thank you.

Believe me, I have communicated now with two of the Reconciliation folks and they know I'm sincere and capable as well.

We need a little fundraising for the movie and the court challenge for the McKay personnel file and Tim Stephenson arrest file because when I go to work on those I will take time off from work and that is all I will do for most of a week to get everything tight.

And contrary to what the Ohio Supreme Court says, when I step into that Courtroom on a First Amendment/Government information case, I'm deadly. And I've even got a couple of other lawyers helping me in the background, so it's going to be an amazing event; one which Liko and Mother Ann will look down at and marvel in appreciation, no doubt.

Namaste my brother/sister.

Anonymous said...

In what world do cop rapists not exist? There are many incidents of cops molesting women they pull over.

Every women and for that matter every man should be able to pull into an area where there are wintesses of until a back-up unit arrives if they fear the person pulling them over.

Does a male cop get to stick his hand between a large brested women's chest during a pat down since a weapon may be hid there?

Anyone who thinks that because somebody wears a badge they are not criminal is an idiot. In fact it much safer to assume they are above the law.

And the article that is referenced is idiotic and risks getting somebody hurt. In what world doesn't an undercover cop not have the right to transport or put somebody in the back of their car?

Charles Duffy said...

CK said,

"There is so much the Government doesn't want people to know about this case it's sickening."

How true and this is exactly why CK has this page.

Not just this case but others. How about one million. Thats less than 1/8 of the prison population. We as America have become so proud of our laws? (sounds like religious right persecution again as if history never repeats itself). DUH?

Lock' em up is not the answer people.

I had the State of California pay a visit to me.

It was about a childhood friend of mine who was on death roe.

I told them exactly what thought.

when this hit's home you will never believe in the death penalty again if you are a sane person.

OK NINER SS,
It's a god dam pickup game and I will start over where Hitler left off..

For Myself, I even hate to say it. But the evidence is right in our faces.

Nazi people like FORO van Niner needs to check the gas pressure in Poland. NINER did you know that you killed other people who where not jewish. NINER did you know that there where american citizens on vaction in poland who where not jews and gased?

NINER wake up! This country is heading for the outhouse and people like you have piss for brains.


Is Foro Van Neinbaaster the personal
attendant for Hitlers Outhouse?

It seems so.

Anonymous said...

"I just happen to come across this website recently, and it is a disgrace! What do you do for a real job -- why don't you commit your time to something that might be a little more worth while, like volunteer for a non profit do something that can give positive results...I don't see any results as of yet, no one that you attack has lost their jobs -- and I don't think you will see that any time soon."

7:10 AM,

What is a disgrace, is people turning a blind eye to the loss of our civil liberties. Chris is giving his time to a non-profit cause - ignore your rights and they will go away. I believe it was Benjamin Franklin that said, to choose to give up your civil liberties in favor of "safety", means you deserved to have neither. I, for one am not interested in the government's desire to control me by selling me fear. The way multitudes of Americans let our rights be taken from us with barely a whisper is a disgrace.

The forefather's of this Nation would be ashamed of how far we have strayed from the freedom they so valiantly fought for - that is a disgrace that nothing can erase. People are too busy to stop and understand what is happening in this country and yet they want to throw stones at those of us that actually understand how our government is functioning and the direction we are headed.

Your comment to Chris that he has made no change happen and that no one has lost a job as of yet, would get you some very strange looks from the great figures (if alive) of the past that fought LONG and HARD to bring about changes in this country. Many lost their lives fighting for our freedoms.

It was once legal to beat or rape your wife and throw her out on the streets, if as her husband you saw fit to, it was once legal to put chains around the necks, ankles and hands of great African Tribal Leaders, rape their women and children and create slaves out of other human beings. It was once illegal for women to vote in this country. I wonder if you find the efforts of Abe Lincoln, Martin Luther King, John Kennedy and Robert Kennedy a disgrace. Many during their time did, while many more believed in what they were fighting for.

Most look back and see the power that their courage had to create equality and empower our civil rights.

Do you think Martin Luther King thought after a few weeks something like, "I have been trying for a little over a month now and I haven't been able to get anyone to realize that African Americans shouldn't have to use different public bathrooms or sit in the back of the bus"? That is rhetorical, of course. Who do you think inspired that beautiful brave Rosa Parks? King perhaps? It only takes a few to spark a fire when it is based in truth - you just can't stop it.

The insults from others are not going to stop us. Every person that is willing to stand up in this situation has already had to examine what we would face in confronting this. If we are speaking up we have made our decision and it feels amazing to do so in spite of what others may think. The truth will set us free.

The biggest disgrace today would be to not take the tragedy of Liko and McKay and do something positive with it for the good of all.

Anonymous said...

Debbie once again your ignorance is painfully obvious, Rosa Parks decided to stand for her rights by sitting long before Dr. King was prominent.

Christopher King said...

10:25

And before that, Emmett Till was the Man.

The point you make, or attempt to make, is a distinction without difference.

Oh, and that link is to Susan Klopfer's site. She is likely the U.S.'s premier expert on the Emmett Till murder and yes, she blogrolls Chris King's 1st Amendment Page.

Peace.

Christopher King said...

So what's your next reply?

Oh, that uppity nigger had it coming just as Liko did?

Oh, wait. The NAACP buried that word yesterday.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

Debbie once again your ignorance is painfully obvious, Rosa Parks decided to stand for her rights by sitting long before Dr. King was prominent.

10:25 PM,

My mistake...another thing you folks seem to never be able to admit.

Very cool....I guess she inspired King, then. That's the way it goes, one person lights the fire of another.

And you great tribute for the day is??????....passing on a great lesson in how to teach a 19 year old how things are handled in Dodge City and how all your actions are within the law?

ooh yeeaah.....

Anonymous said...

Good to know - thanks Chris.


What happened to cause a young African American student's lynching in the Mississippi Delta?

When Emmett "BoBo" Till threatened Mississippi's rigid Jim Crow laws this fourteen-year-old paid with his life.

Till's murderers were set free yet his death spurred Rosa Parks to take her important stand in Montgomery.

In this 50th anniversary, the case has finally been reopened with new and intriguing information. How many people were involved? Who hid the killers overnight? Where is the first trial's transcript?

Anonymous said...

We don't plan on waiting 50 yrs.

Anonymous said...

debby, i'm not sure if we've interacted personally up here...or if you're actually 'debby' outside of the blog...
but i really must say, if, "pretty is as pretty does," as quoted by you recently, then you are easily one of the most graciously beautiful, spiritually informed and courageous women in the entire country. an inspiration.
anonymuss

Anonymous said...

anonymuss,

We're all here, chosen if you will, because of the individual strengths we all possess. It is a synergy, a light, that cannot fail.

Your assessment of Debby is 100% correct, she is an inspiration, a beacon, a courageous and spiritual leader.

I too thank her.

Foro Van Neinbaaster said...

Debbie,

INTENT TO WHAT?

All right Debbie, if the gun was not loaded, and then somebody, under a certain circumstance, puts ammunition into it, why would they do it? Let me take a wild guess here, dear Debbie, and say that the purpose of that person would be to open fire in near future. Again: if the theory is right that Liko's gun was empty before the traffic stop (which I doubt in the first place -- carrying a loose clip or two in your pocket is invonvenient, but let's assume that) -- then, upon seeinf officer McKay, Liko loads the gun, that means that he wanted this weapon to be on the ready, and given that he indeed used this weapon within two or three minutes on McKay, this leaves little doubt that the intended recipient of these slugs was indeed McKay.

What part about Liko fearing this man DON'T you seem to get?

Oh, I get it alright. However, only a hypocrit of biblical proportions can claim that Liko was certain that his life was in danger this day. It's plain that it wasn't. Now, Liko had the choice to submit to the arrest and get a ticket (and don't you agree that this would be deserved; I've paid some tickets in the past myself and I don't whine about it; of course I'm not a spoiled whiny brat like this Liko person); instead this choice that a reasonable person would make, he choose to first run and then kill a human being. Again, let me repeat this formula for you if incidentally you are a bit thick: his life was not in danger, and yet he chose to take somebody else's. Just meditate on this mantra a little, and great enlightenment will descend upon you.

Intent to protect his life if necessary.

This is bull and you know it. Besides, when he pulled this trigger, he wasn't protecting his life but just giving in to his childish and silly temper. Shame on his parent for raising such infantile high school dropout. Let's see what his uncle had to say:

"He's not the type to be educated. He's self-educated, and that's kind of typical of his character," Bill Kenney said. "He wouldn't work for anybody, (and) he'd never have anyone work for him."

You see, he wouldn't work for anybody (a freeloader?) and he's got some crack "self-education" -- considerable skiing skill and proficiency of rolling joints.

Anonymous said...

foro at 10:53

you knew liko? the long-haired hippy kid? and so you judge?

do you happen to shave your head and wear sunglasses so we can't see your eyes? shall i judge you?

you're big on labels....black/ white thinking ,eh?

TL

TL

Foro Van Neinbaaster said...

Charles Duffy,

you verbal diarrhea is quite amuzing, actually. You honestly believe that police stopping you (or me, or Chris King) for a moving violation is in league with Nazis. What a smart person you are, Duffy.

Nazi people like FORO van Niner needs to check the gas pressure in Poland.

It's incredibly lame to bring the gas chambers' specter into the discussion of a traffic stop turned into a shooting alley thanks to a young cretin high on weed.

NINER did you know that you killed other people who where not jewish. NINER did you know that there where american citizens on vaction in poland who where not jews and gased?

Oh, so that's what pisses you off? So the crimes of the Nazis are even worse than we thought -- and according to you it relatively all right to gas the Jews, but the Nazis crossed the line when they gassed American bystanders? Are you nuts?

Anonymous said...

foro -
factually, liko kenney shot and killed a cop, but NOT because he was the "spoiled, whiny brat" that you insist upon his being.
his story gives us pause to consider the potential for the abuse of power at a routine traffic stop.
ah, yes....not speeding, buddy; he was not speeding. his registration sticker expired within a day or so of the traffic stop. officer was carrying around alot of baggage that day, besides the can of juice, and the tahoe, his weapons of choice.
never should have ended in deaths. NEVER.

TL

Foro Van Neinbaaster said...

Dear TL,

you knew liko? the long-haired hippy kid? and so you judge?

I don't care much about the length of Liko's coiffre. And a saw a total of 12 minutes of Liko's life, as captured on the dash cams of police cars. And I didn't like what I saw at all. A self-indulgent hysterical kid, who's whining whereas he's clearly in the wrong. And, sometimes a few seconds reveal more about a person than the rest of their lifetime. For Liko, and my limited knowledge of him, the moment came when he pulled that trigger, killing a living being, while not being in danger himself. Only a dirtbag would do this, hippy or not.

do you happen to shave your head and wear sunglasses so we can't see your eyes? shall i judge you?

My head is not shaven and I almost never wear sunglasses. I can look you straight in the eye. And judge me all you want with all my various failings and shortcomings and sins, but I know this -- I will never take other person's life until I'm certain that mine is in immediate danger.

you're big on labels....black/ white thinking ,eh?

Maybe you should direct this to Chris King JD.

Anonymous said...

dear foro -

sorry to repeat, but mckay was the aggressor...
it hasn't been well established, yet that liko had the right to ask for another officer, or move along, slowly, toward safety, but we're assured that was most probably the case.
mckay was unprofessional in '03 when he initiated physical violence against liko. it is extraordinary to be physically beaten by several policemen when said citizen was merely trying to verbally establish the reason for his being stopped and detained.
i understand your bottom line is that liko killed a human being, who happened to be mckay, before he, in turn, was killed.
who rammed? who maced? what next?
liko was prepared to protect himself this time by virtue of having a weapon. too bad he felt he had to defend himself in this way.
mckay was apparently more attuned to exercising his almighty authority than to de-escalating potential violence at a routine traffic stop.
two men have paid, dearly. a third is trigger happy and ready to take the law into is own hands, again.
it's messy....and it's neither black, nor white, but always shades of grey.
it's unfortunate you feel it necessary to look down upon those who choose not to complete formal schooling...some of them are quite successful.
TL

Anonymous said...

TL,

You have the patience of Job.


peace,

debby

Anonymous said...

foro,

You profess to hold human life is such high regard and yet you come here and post extremely rude and insulting things to people. Only a hypocrite would say they respect human beings and behave in the manner in which you are doing.

Hey guys, I guess in foro's book we are all nothing but a bunch of loser low-life scumbags, not worthy of life itself. I wonder why he wants to hang out here? Verbal abuse I suppose.

Debby not Debbie

Anonymous said...

Ha Debby,

Foro's got one up on TL. God's insight trumps Job's patience.

He must have God's insight as he's able to judge the worth of a person's entire life and from 12 minutes of tape.

Sad really. And he fancies himself as educated. Educated maybe, intelligent not.

Foro Van Neinbaaster said...

Dear TL,

mckay was unprofessional in '03 when he initiated physical violence against liko.

I saw the video and maybe I missed something, but Liko refused to get back into the car. Police are authorized to use force when a suspect is non-compliant. Was McKay "unprofessional" for following this established guideline??

it is extraordinary to be physically beaten by several policemen

He was put in handcuffs and into the police cruiser as per the protocol. I didn't know that Liko was brutally beaten a-la Rodney King. If he was indeed, please send a link. I personally think he was not. Was he thrown on the ground? Likely, as is the standard procedure for subduing a non-compliant suspect.

when said citizen was merely trying to verbally establish the reason for his being stopped and detained.

He could have gotten the explanation from the officer and then in the court of law. He didn't need to disobey the police for that.

i understand your bottom line is that liko killed a human being, who happened to be mckay, before he, in turn, was killed.

Oh good.

who rammed? who maced? what next?

McKay did "ram" (although the Toyota didn't sustain any damage as seen in the video, so it's hardly a real ram). McKay wanted to incapacitate a non-compliant driver. Was this excessive? Perhaps. What next? Arrest for Liko. I think that's plenty clear.

too bad he felt he had to defend himself in this way.

That's not "too bad". That's being irresponsible and essentially a criminal.

mckay was apparently more attuned to exercising his almighty authority than to de-escalating potential violence at a routine traffic stop.

Look, I said it and I will say it again: if you speed away from a traffic stop in any state, you should expect that there will be force used by the police. I was in a car in NJ that was pulled over, and I wanted to stretch and got out of the car. I was ordered by the police to get back in the car and thought there was nothing unusual in this request. If I did decide to walk in the direction of the cruiser, I have little doubt that the policeman would have pulled a gun (as per their instructions). Now, there is no mention of McKay in all of this. It's jsut simple logic.

it's unfortunate you feel it necessary to look down upon those who choose not to complete formal schooling...some of them are quite successful.

In most cases, however, it is a result of poor self-discipline. As Liko's uncle said, he would loath to work for anybody. How the hell was he getting his daily bread at age 24? Well I know that shortly before his senseless death, which resulted form his stupid actions, Liko started working in some kind of garden store, selling flowers and stuff. Good for him. He could have been doing this even now, you know. Too bad he didn't have good sense on that day.

Foro Van Neinbaaster said...

To anon at 12:08

mind you that I didn't critique the music that Liko was fond of, or books he liked to read, or the kind of beer he liked. What I saw in the 12 minutes of footage was irresponsible behavior, and at the end of it, an unjustified murder of a police officer. And I spoke about what I saw, and judged Liko on that basis. Should I care about the rest of his short life? Maybe, but nothing mitigates the killing that he has committed.

Anonymous said...

12:08,

foro seems to be nothing more than a verbal abuser. No wonder he thinks McKay's treatment of Liko in "03" was appropriate because he was behaving like a "brat".

Verbal abusers cannot cope with another existing outside of their reality and that is exactly what he is exhibiting here. It appears that his sense of personal power is felt through verbal dominance and control (his perception). Everyone else here seems to experience their own personal power through a sense of mutuality, respect and a sense of honoring others as human beings.

We don't always agree but nobody is out to drag others to the slaughterhouse.

I can say that foro is most certainly a verbally abusive bully. I do hope he is not in LE.

Anonymous said...

dear foro at 12:23,

i quote: "I spoke about what I saw, and judged Liko on that basis. Should I care about the rest of his short life? Maybe, but nothing mitigates the killing that he has committed."

yes, you and floyd are judges, indeed....of action, of character, and moral fiber. ummm - who died and left you boss?

NOTHING MITIGATES THE KILLING THAT HE HAS COMMITTED.

there it is....no further discussion is possible. you're entitled to your opinion, and you're entitled to hold fast and rigid to your beliefs. glad you're not on my jury!

you see, i don't want to see young adults beaten for less than criminal behavior. that's my belief. i believe excessive force was used in the '03 stop; and i really believe mckay was looking for something that he didn't expect to get on 5/11. know why? because he was too wrapped up in his own importance, and righteously believed his bullying was entirely acceptable, by any standard. he was wrong.
we agree that it is fundamentally wrong to kill another human being. mckay had a personal war on his agenda.
mitigating factors are moot at this point....they're dead.
my heart aches for liko's family.

TL

Anonymous said...

Thanks TL,

Very well put.

peace for us all

Anonymous said...

and, further, dear foro.....
i'll wager you believe caleb had it coming to him, also. after all, he was seated next to that spoiled brat in the car. takes one to know one, right?

an eye for an eye.....and all that stuff. oops. a third eye, sorry.

it is not disrespectful to question authority....under normal circumstances, it's an intelligent approach to a problem-solving, or to clarify and communicate.

liko was surely questioning, and probably annoying mckay in '03 - but mckay didn't have the skill set to defuse it. he never forgot it, either...he held onto the grudge, and acted on it again on 5/11.

can't fault you for your beliefs, but i don't share them. there are two, sometimes three or four sides to a story. it's not as simple as you'd like it to be, and neither is the law.

TL, again

Anonymous said...

and thank you, debby, for the affirmation....much appreciated.
kindly,
TL

Foro Van Neinbaaster said...

Dear TL,

i'll wager you believe caleb had it coming to him, also.

From what I know, Caleb didn't do anything illegal on that day. Please educate me if I'm wrong in my assumption. I also feel for that poor guy Caleb going though absolutely incredible stress of essentially being in cross-fire, witnessing a gruesome death of a police officer and then seeing how he's buddy was shot only a foot away from him. I saw my friends die in messy ways and still I can't pretend to comprehend what Caleb went through. All I know is that Caleb didn't take anybody's life, and I have no reasons to have negative feelings towards that person.

liko was surely questioning, and probably annoying mckay in '03 - but mckay didn't have the skill set to defuse it.

How all of a sudden Liko has the license to escalate a perfectly normal situation (and from the video it was kind of deliberate), and McKay is supposed to have godly skills id pacifying an unruly individual without using any physical force?

it's not as simple as you'd like it to be, and neither is the law.

I know that the world is not black and white, however there are some fundamental things like human life vs somebody's "questioining authority" that did allow for a fairly simple view, don't you think?

Charles Duffy said...

Ck it's sems that Foro Van Neinbaaster name should be changed to


Bro van Niggerbasher.

Hey Nigger basher, For your information I don't smoke weed. But I also don't think it should be illegal and decrinimalized.

The whole pont of the post is that too many people are being subjected to the unfirness of the system and the police state that we are headed for.

Bro van Niggerbasher, If you don't know someone who has been a victim of the system and its courts then you are a liar and a fake.


People like you don't upset me or most people on this post.

You just need a little bit more education about what this country is turning into.

I guess when farmers shot at the RED Coats they where criminals also.

Thank God for those farmers and don't forget how history does repeat itself in ways that you can never imagine.

Anonymous said...

Foro, what do you think of Greg Floyd's statement that PCP and THC are the same thing? Does this damage his credibility in your eyes at all?

Christopher King said...

The PCP statement, the Viet Nam Statement, the window statement, all of it is beyond the pale.

So too, if Foro, who is so stupid he can't even see that the unpublished letters in this post are not from me, but rather from someone with deep roots and ties in the Franconia community who is actively involved in addressing the police/community relations divide.

He gets the jackass of the year award, totally.

Not very Zen to say I guess, but whatever.

Anonymous said...

hey, foro..
just thinking, and to be fair, i never practiced a rigid, authority-based parenting style. mine was more about love and nurturing, and, of course, communicating an expectation for kids to achieve academically, socially and morally.
that said, i have no problem at all with liko's reasonably questioning the authoritaaay of THE bruce mckay in the '03 stop...and it didn't warrant a beat down, in my humble opinion. liko, himself, asked whether mckay might better be tending to some drunk at the bar....because he knew he wasn't doing anything illegal, and was trying to understand why he was being detained.

now, when you consider that a traffic stop on 5/11 for a registration violation resulted in two deaths.....can you really assign 100% blame to liko kenney? i guess it was fully comply or die. i repeat, ad nauseum, the slam, the spray, and the attitude. yes, cops can also have "attitude".

i'm grateful you are generously empathetic to caleb....and only wish i could impart that kind of sensitivity about liko.

i get it...killing is unacceptable to you. as debby might have previously mentioned, it was kill or be killed for liko on 5/11.

i, personally, could have handled liko on '03 and 5/11, foro. he was reactive, but not criminal, and could have been calmed with an appropriate talk down, not a beat down.

and, BTW, my kids have learned their lessons, sometimes the hard way...there are no such things as "pranks" in today's world....everything is a "felony".

mckay would have been a hero if he had headed this trouble off before it started in '03 by being a role model cop, not the town bully with a badge.

TL

Anonymous said...

I too agree that I could have talked to Liko and calmed him down in "03", but I don't think that is what McKay was about. Once Liko questioned him, he was angry and it became all about McKay and his image. If he couldn't beat you down psychologically then he would do it physically. Just ask the tiny young girls he pepper-sprayed. Do you think they posed a physical threat or an intellectual threat? Pretty obvious to me.

Anonymous said...

Ok debbie and TL,

explain Liko's irrational behavior towards the principal at Profile High School. Rich Larcom is many things but him asserting his authority over anybody at that school is hard to believe. Liko had a problem with Larcom, recently attempted to scare Larcom by driving his car at him and swerving at the last moment. Liko walking into Larcom's office and slamming a pistol cartridge on his desk and telling him to "Fuck Off'. Liko had problems with authority figures. One of his best friends stated his friendship had deteriorated since he joined the Easton fire Department. Liko was going to give anybody in 03 a hard time. Liko didn't know his rights and violated several laws and got called on it by being legally arrested.

Christopher King said...

Dear

No one is saying Liko was perfect, but the bottom line on French Hill Park is this:

It was NOT a suspicious place and Liko was correct to tell McKay that "You cannot keep me here without Good Cause."

And thanks for reminding me, the State is out of Rule on its response to me for information out of French Hill Park; go through the comments section and see that on 3 July I responded to Chief Montminy and told him that he could NOT charge me overtime for pulling police activity from the area and that he had 5 days to respond to me with an answer.

He has failed to do so. If the area was so damn suspicious he would have no problem compiling a short list, and then I would accept supplementals as they were uncovered.

http://christopher-king.blogspot.com/2007/07/kingcast-returns-to-fox-hill-park-with.html

Keep your eye out for our short film, "Franconia 5/11"

*********

As for 2007 my sources (who have only been "wrong" about a witness saying it was a 19 vs. 10 point turn that McKay did) tell me Liko was within his legal rights not to directly deal with McKay and to request another officer.

Why would McKay not tell Liko that backup was coming?

To screw with his mind, intimidate him.

Again, McKay committed suicide by Civilian.

*********

And what about NH AG Kelly Ayotte blowing off Tim Stephenson's complaint about McKay that would identify him as a dangerous and threatening mentality.

http://christopher-king.blogspot.com/2007/07/kingcast-says-nh-aag-jeffery-strelzin.html

**********

And what about the report from the Easton Police Chief on Floyd

Anonymous said...

I'm not sure why you're feeling any guilt about the "19 point" v "10 point" thing. The Union Leader reported it as "19 point" on May 20th, and until the official reports came out more than a month later, that was all there was to go by.

http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=A+long+road+to+a+deadly+confrontation&articleId=6b61b8a0-72df-4c84-881b-65838bae9a3a

Christopher King said...

Thanks, BR.

Also, with respect to 11:10's question about one of Liko's friends, man that's Matt and we hung out when I was up in Franconia for the first summer visit.

He was cool with Liko to this day, cool enough that the police are hassling him and other potential witnesses you bet they are.

I'll be bringing that to Paul Hodes' attention.

http://christopher-king.blogspot.com/2006/11/kingcast-raps-with-nh-congressional.html

Yeah, I've been in his office before as this case was just starting to develop.

Peace.

Anonymous said...

11:10, I can't comment on the Larcom thing, but I don't think that you can read too much into the comment from Liko's friend. Volunteer Fire Departments in all of the towns around here are very tight, nearly like fraternities, and Liko wouldn't be the first person who started feeling a bit alienated when a friend joined the town FD. I know people who have quit Fire Departments for that very reason, and some who have the skills to join but won't because of the clubbiness. I'm not saying that it wasn't an authority issue, but it could very well have been unrelated.

Anonymous said...

Matt is walking a tightrope with the Fire Department,PD and State because he was a long time friend of Liko's. The guy is also pushed to the wall but he is still close to Liko's family.

Lots of people know they have to in some way or another save themselves from destruction. The area knows the harm that can come to them too. The ones that are speaking up feel they can no longer be silent. Some feel that at this point they are safer to go as public as possible.

Their are people leaving because they are still being harassed over this situation. Other young people that were friends with Liko have also been watched and it is harassment. Taking pictures of how a car is parked in someone 's drive is total harassment.

Foro Van Neinbaaster said...

Anon@11:10 --

Liko had a problem with Larcom, recently attempted to scare Larcom by driving his car at him and swerving at the last moment. Liko walking into Larcom's office and slamming a pistol cartridge on his desk and telling him to "Fuck Off".

Jesus! People are right, of course, saying that I don't know a lot of stuff about Liko. I didn't know that he resorted to this thinly veiled threat of gun violence against the school principal. That sure adds charm to that "happy kid". On 5/11, he finally got to use live ammo on somebody.

Anonymous said...

Matt sold Liko his gun and then states Liko was crazy and his friends would not want to go for a hike because they might not return. But yet he still sells him the pistol that shot Mckay. I would be worried too.

Christopher King said...

Yeah I've talked to Matt and I wouldn't put too much faith in what the government says he says.

Peace.

Christopher King said...

Meanwhile, here is what Nashua Telegraph Columnist Dean Shalhoup had to say:

Blam to the haters. I mean, what next "Oh that Dean Shalhoup, he's a real wacko...."

Anonymous said...

I recently heard that Larcom had a drinking problem and that he blatantly smelled of alcohol. Was this during his work hours? Did others cover for him? Is this who high school students were entrusted to? If this is the case, how well do you suppose he functioned in his job? How much respect do you suppose the students may or may not have felt toward him?