20 July 2007

Res Ipsa IV: KingCast presents law enforcement Bruce McKay, Shooter Floyd, Kelly Ayotte, Jeffery Strelzin and Bud Fitch style.

These were ugly men doing ugly things. But to soon-to-be former NH AG Kelly Ayotte, these men are heroes. Also, remember from this NH Police Captain Russell Conte post all of that nonsense about Floyd parking his vehicle inbetween McKay and Liko so as to protect and blah blah blah:
"The elder Floyd drove his Tahoe into a spot between McKay and Kenney as a shield and told his son, who is in his late teens, to run to the officer's cruiser and radio for help,"

Ayotte told the Boston Globe.

Thta's utter crap. As I told you before, his vehicle was parked further South on 116 toward Tamarack, where he could readily cut off Liko's exit. Which he most certainly did, you know he told Caleb "Yeah I shot him real good."

Just a common murderer set free for killing a cop killer who was scared witless by Bruce McKay, a thug with a badge.

53 comments:

Anonymous said...

so, those are some serious tire tracks there and it looks like we don't even see the beginning of them in the photo...am I right on that?

I would say it took some serious force to create those tracks.

Floyd???? I shall keep my tongue.

Anonymous said...

That Tahoe pic confirms what I've suspected, that Liko never resisted the force that was pushing his Toyota. If he had the brake on, you'd see other "skid" marks. The torque that was used that dug the gravel, was not needed to move the vehicle. The heavy foot was anger borne of being on a power trip, one of McKay's MO's.

Christopher King said...

And absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Oh, yeahhh....

Anonymous said...

Good point on not seeing a second set of tracks. The tire tracks are dark while the rest of the dirt looks very light showing it is dry. Sometimes you can leave tracks even w/out trying but not on dry hard ground.

Roid rage on McKay's part. Unreal.

Anonymous said...

You know what else that pic reveals to me? Liko didn't leave in a rage to mow McKay down, there are no tire marks to the right of the tahoe. Had he been hell bent to run McKay over, wouldn't he had been pedal down? He supposedly is going after a moving target. Wouldn't your instinct be to move in the direction as fast as you can at an angle to cut him down? Much like a linebacker moves to the point of attack to tackle a running back coming around the end.

I think the lack of skid marks, the fact that Liko had to exit the lot in the direction his car is facing in bottom pic as he had to avoid the telephone poles to get into the road, indicates a lack of intent to run him over.

I wish there were some oics of the yad and driveway where his vehicle sits. Skid marks or lack thereof would fill in some of the holes here. Where are those pics?

Anonymous said...

That pic of Floyd make me want to grab a banjo

Anonymous said...

Whose blood is on Floyd's arm ... bet you they never tested that...

http://img476.imageshack.us/img476/6278/shooterfloydif8.png

Anonymous said...

Ned,

I had the same reaction but
didn't want to say it.....deliverance...yikes....

Anonymous said...

What about the blood soaked shirt that he claims to have used for McKay? The first person that arrived said Floyd's shirt was covered in blood and he had 2 guns in his hands. I think he would have noticed if he had no shirt on.

I think it is strange that he lied about his shirt. I don't know what it means if anything. I think lying is like a "knee jerk" to Floyd so it may just be habit.

Anonymous said...

I do know that Liko was having trouble seeing and Caleb too, not to mention the kicking in of all the other effects from the pepper-spray...breathing, skin burning, etc.

Christopher King said...

I don't disbelieve that the blood on Shooter Floyd's arm is McKay's.

The point is, he lied about any dialogue and Kelly backed him up on that.

And according to Caleb and Floyd Junior he also lied about Liko running McKay over as well.

So then the only issue is whether Floyd really was trying to protect McKay when he shot at the car at any time, and he did apparently shoot the windshield so why is there:

ABSOLUTELY NO DISCUSSION about this in the apparently unsigned official report.

Unbelievable.

What's even more unbelievable is the general media not printing any of these facts in their stories.

That's beyond unbelievable, it's disgusting.

Namaste.

Anonymous said...

Interesting too that Stan Sherburn said that Caleb was yelling something like "You almost killed me" to Floyd. I would doubt that if Floyd had been restraining him with his elbow to the throat (which we know isn't true anyway, since the window was up) that Caleb would have been yelling that at him.

Anonymous said...

I would still very much likie for a neutral forensic expert to interpret the report, and have access to the physician who did Officer's Mckay blood work post mortem.

Another loop that should be closed in my opinion.
No i don't have firm evidence, and little of that has been offered in context, and what there has been of it has been truncated, distorted and intentionally misleading from the evening of the shooting.

Still, if i might postulate, tho it might be very well that Mckay's behaviors were influenced chemically by 'caffeine,' in whatever proportions, as announced officially...

...but those monster truck tire tracks digging in for a series of truly angry and violent slams...well perhaps that's just a damaged nervous system and an abused/distored psychopatholgy in action...
...but i've a feeling that there were other components in Mckay's system that might have been contributory factors...

...i'm talking about roid rage and no i can't prove it at this point. i'm not a scientist, but i offer this theory in good faith.

mkcay as a small man who worked hard on a buff image and being photraphed as such; it's almost as if he's in cop drag in some of his self-promotion shots...one in particlar on duffy's blog...

i needn't go into theorizing and postulations too deeply about the over-compensating nature of the psychology behind such efforts to 'force' 'prove' one's appearance of strength, and literal strength, especially in a character prone to regulating and protecting his violent acts thru force of authoritarian comraderie and rule.
It is not uncommon for abused women to report, and then withdraw that report rather than risk a prosecution for fear of antoher beating, and also because the whold process is an emotional/psychologocial nightmare to go through...

ask any actual police offier in a place where actual crimes are proliferate about this if you want to study, or have any part of these theories verified....

...evidene, rather than proliferate 'rumor' out of these small towns where 'everybody is famous' and everybody is fairly transparent...will come in time...and i've started amiddint this is merely my own theory and postulations...

i'd like to get that complete blood analysis out of the corrupted AG frame of reference, even if a disinternment should be necessary, tho such a gruesome thing would be fought against with great force...

...and OR...a good private dick and/or author to thoroughly investigage Mckay's 'work out' practices, partners and schedules...and places of whatever gyms or homes these individual, or more likely group sessions, with professional training equipment might have ocurred.

so i'm not personaly sure if it was the hyper agressive side effects of pumping extra testorone through intravenous steriodal application, or just a mixture of warped psychology and a distorted sense of 'justice' and 'self,' OR a combination of chemicals and psycopatholgy...

...but in a context of remarkable corruption and intentional disinformation bomblets, strategized and released with an intentional timing and spin, no matter how clumsy and easily debunked when this pastiche 'report' was finally wrested from their hands by subpeona's from over a dozen different private and media sources...

soooooo...roid rage...alchohol?

certainly a blood analysis of shooter Floyd was/is in absolute order, in a situation like this...
and hasn't been forthcoming at all...

with mckay we're told 'caffiene'...okay, that might have been a component, and he might just have been a rogue serial abuser in his personal and decidedly (non) 'professional' life...

but the overt sexual inadequacy paradigm in place with most abusers, especially of women and young boys, if the abuser is a middle aged man with history of actual violence as well as posturing threat and pscho-sexual dynamics in his professional life with other peripheral le support perosonnel, or whether just a citizen victim...
a lot of hoi polli or whatever merel suggesting that this could be another avenue from which we've been led astray and like to about...
it's not as if this isn't without huge precendent inthe AG report...and the huge effort to keep a common public record view of his complaint record and job review analyses over a career spanning many years and two departments...

so somethings fishy of course. a lot of things already exposed and soon to be legally proven and exposed hugely through various sources in the culture...i hope one of these ivestigators and/or what there might be of a real internal investigation come to proper light, that we might find chemical proof, as well as other kinds of proof, that would exchange such irrational and frankly stupidly and cruelly aggressive tactics.

roid rage, alcoholism or merely a jerkwater doof on a pscyhe rage...these things should be studied and reported on witn neutrality...this is far bigger now, than whatever little minds in the franconia police department or the political coverup shenanigans of the select board and state rep. mcleod, (in the mcleod's case, a husband and wife team)

There is a time to lift the investigation and the informations from these outlets, and also a time, perhaps already overdue in it's commencement, to wrest control of this investigation from silly, desperate and foolish small town political operators.

roid rage, drunk, other drugs?
certainly floyd a walking nightmare of drugs, and perhaps alchohol...
there is a mighty good reason why basic police 101 evidence gathering wasn't made public in these regards other than 'mckay had caffiene in his blood'...oh really, what else? good, bad, natural or not...give us the nubmers, the math, the forensic medical evidence...we paid for it, it's ours.

and if there wasn't a blood alcohol test as well as other chemical analyses fore drugs in Floyd...and perhaps his 'disabled' son...
(and what is the nature of any 'pscyhiatric' disabiliites specifically by the way?)

what they don't release begs questioning and demands full disclosures. If these materials are forever unavailable, the 'responsible' parties are as dangerous in le positions, or moreso, than any generic criminal activity up in those towns.

somebody, somewhere, over time, will get to various witnesses, and display sufficent force of subpoena to have mckay's associates testify and be investiagated under oath...
this could be one of your immediate demands/goals in the efforts here as well...

context...their worse fear...and the road to truth.

Anonymous said...

anonymous at 3:59

absolutely...excellent post.

all the sub-layers of contributory factors and evidence should have been investigated, detailed and reported according to the highest protocol and integrity of standard. absent this, there is an obligation and demand for accountability and truth.

TL

TL

Anonymous said...

jes git 'er done, right floyd?

Anonymous said...

jes git 'er done, right floyd?

Anonymous said...

who is calling whom a dirt-bag?

Anonymous said...

Has anyone looked at the photo at the bottom of this post of the vehicles? looks really strange to me.

The position of Floyd's truck looks as if he was blocking or cutting off Liko's ability to leave the scene. It certainly doesn't make sense that this position would have blocked McKay's body from Liko's car.

Anonymous said...

It makes perfect sense if it was a pscho party; floyd had the scanner; atyotte killed the audio. they were complicit and it was a setup and a tuneup. too bad Liko had to sacrifice himself to a murderer for cleaning up the streets of the refuse that was mckay; murdering the spirit of a town. hassling kids for playing hackey sack. it's a better world without him. much better. if monti and the selectboard had responsibility that would have gotten rid of him long before he tortured a citizen into cleaning out the garbage.
and the big lesson is obvious but no one wants to talk about it.
guns shoot both ways.
have fun in ayottes vigilante justice world. anything goes.
it's gonna take more than your swat teams and the army reserve if you keep pushing. world history proves this easily. anyone can get anyone.
period. they love this. they live for it. it gets them raises and news ink.
it kills our kids and our town. gas me and find out what happens.

Anonymous said...

The more that comes out about this the wilder it is. I can't believe the position of these vehicles. Does anyone recall whether Floyd said he was in the truck when Jr. pulled the truck up, supposedly to protect McKay? Did he get out and run to McKay before the truck ended up across the road? Look at the front of the truck, it is barely off the road - it is blocking the ROAD not McKay. Was Floyd blocking Liko and Caleb in so they couldn't leave? Did Liko drive straight because he couldn't turn up the road to Tamarack? If he didn't get out of the truck first, then Floyd pulled over, jumped out, got to McKay and his gun all in the amount of time it took Liko to pull out? That is a fair amount of distance from where Floyd was originally for him to have accomplished all of what he claims.

Anonymous said...

Debby, where are you seeing the picture you're referring to? The only two I see are the Tahoe and the one of Floyd?

Anonymous said...

Sorry; never mind. I just found it. I'm going to post a link in case I'm not the only technologically inept person here!

http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/2281/floyddowntheroadni3.png

Anonymous said...

And at Page 745: Floyd Junior notes that Liko "didn't actually hit the officer" with the car the first time.

Page 687: "That guy I thought pretty much had the gun pointed at us before we even got on the road."



Floyd does seem pretty darn speedy......"Easy son, I'm quicker'n you"

Imagine all this while being disabled with a bad back, limp and drugged out. Hhhhmmm....look at the expression on his face.

Anonymous said...

What do you think BR?

Anonymous said...

Okay, here's what I think; it won't be popular because it fits a bit with some of what Floyd said, though of course not all of what he said since he is so fond of contradicting himself. I haven't watched the video in a while and can't look at the crime scene diagrams that were in the 900-odd pages and made it to the UL site.

I think that Floyd moved his truck before Liko hit McKay, and that when he said he was trying to protect McKay, he actually might have meant that he was moving it to protect McKay from traffic coming down 116 (from Easton; I believe that McKay had staggered over to that side of the road. At that point, Liko moves his car. Going to Tamarack? Freaked out and not sure what to do? Pepper spray setting in and really not aware of what he's doing? Or maybe actually trying to run McKay down. We'll probably never know. But anyway, he moves his car, Floyd gets out and shoots, either through the windshield or through Caleb's window.

Has it ever been 100% completely ruled out that McKay didn't get a shot off at Liko? If he did, that could also explain the windshield hole, and Liko running him over, though then it would be much more clear that Floyd might have been going after Caleb and not Liko.

Anonymous said...

I had not seen any photos or diagrams of the position of the vehicles. I timed 20 seconds from the end of Liko shooting until his car moves out of the frame. McKay was already across the street according to Floyd, if my memory serves me - correct me if I am wrong. If this is true, wouldn't it be logical that the Floyd would have been pulled in front of McKay's body from the road by just crossing over. You can see that Floyd is still in the same spot when Liko and Caleb motion to him by the angle they are pointing and waving. His original spot is about half way to 3/4 of the length of the smaller building. All he had to do was drive across the road but he pulls up the road and parks his truck across it.

I have reserved any strong impression as to the motives and intent of Floyd. I have felt as though he was just too crazy for me to figure his head out. I now find it very difficult to believe that he was out to specifically protect McKay. He said the shooting of McKay made his blood boil in his statement. I won't presume to understand that as he himself had made plenty of threats to not only shoot but shoot to kill police officers and even threatened one later that night.

At this moment, I am leaning towards the greater probability that Floyd was not looking to protect McKay but to kill Liko. That is cold blooded murder.

Anonymous said...

br, I was doing my own post while you posted so didn't see yours first. I've read it a couple of times. As you can see I posted something very different but am open minded to tossing this around a bit.

I tend to agree that he moved there before Liko got on the road after looking at the pic more and I went back to the video as well. I had not thought of blocking him from traffic - possible, but since Floyd knew Liko was traveling the same direction as him why would he block what looks like to me 3/4 of the road? Maybe just unclear thinking but in the end if Liko, through his blurred vision sees this big dark thing in the road with only a narrow space, is he going to try to get through it or around it?

I can verify to you that both Liko and Caleb were struggling to see, on top of that he was freaked out from what had happened to him and what he also had just done.

Anonymous said...

debby and br -

br - your mention of the possibility of mckay's having gotten a shot off at liko has also crossed my mind....hence, mckay's gun may have been easily accessible to floyd if mckay fell to the ground, and the gun was dropped along side of him.

and

as liko attempted to drive away, i wonder if caleb any statement from liko about his leaving, and his intended destination....which we presume to be tamarack.

TL

Anonymous said...

1:29

like your post because it gets right to the point about a theory of set-up and liko's response to being "tortured", as you suggest.

since we've heard a scanner mentioned before, i wonder if this is fact, specific to 5/11, or is it just generally known that floyd listened to a scanner?

who knows floyd? any friends? does he own much land?

TL

Anonymous said...

3:59

i've reread your post, and believe you've touched on some important, underlying psychological issues that may have motivated mckay's aggressive behavior in his professional and non-professional lives.

yes, the posed images of him portray the "tough guy", which are inconsistent with his background at prudential, and sales at j.c. penney and llbean. although his interest as a emt/responder persisted beyond college, becoming a full-time officer came rather late in life.

"traces of caffeine", although not intended to explain any of mckay's behavior in the official report, is an insufficient explanation for the abuse of his ex-wife, if that information is factually correct. the psycho-sexual dynamic you suggest is worth some attention.

the possibly of chemical substances ingested, perhaps habitual use/abuse is a plausible explanation for the intensity of his ..... well, rage.

br, you state:

"i'd like to get that complete blood analysis out of the corrupted AG frame of reference, even if a disinternment should be necessary, tho such a gruesome thing would be fought against with great force...

...and OR...a good private dick and/or author to thoroughly investigage Mckay's 'work out' practices, partners and schedules...and places of whatever gyms or homes these individual, or more likely group sessions, with professional training equipment might have ocurred."

nothing exists in isolation... ideally, your thoughts are worth taking good look.

TL

Anonymous said...

TL, I didn't make the statements you attributed to me.

And based on the pictures of Floyd, I'd never guess that he and McKay were workout partners.

Debby, about blocking most of the road, isn't there a ditch where Floyd stopped, so that he couldn't have pulled forward more? And it wouldn't even surprise me if ANY person would have parked in such a way as to block the whole road anyway, having just seen someone in a car shoot a police officer. I don't really see that as being a sure sign of a conspiracy. It's might just be a natural reaction to the circumstances.

Anonymous said...

Sorry, TL, now I see that the earlier anonymous was referring to whether any nontraditional or chemical training regimens were used. I had thought he was trying to get at whether Floyd and McKay might have known each other from the gym. Never mind then. But it was good for a chuckle.

Anonymous said...

It is highly possible given McKay's stature that he could have used steroids. About the autopsy - does Chris have both autopsy reports or are the just the "general findings" from the AG. We know what that is worth now. Not much. I have lost all faith in any decency coming form that office.

I will say however, that if you are a chronic consistent physical and psychological abuser you don't need to be on any drugs to be triggered. It is a state of being, a mentally and reality that sets them apart.

Psychological abuser do not always physically abuse their victims.

Physical abusers always psychologically abuse there victims.

Ask a victim of a abuse which is more painful and 9 times out of 10 they will tell you the psychological abuse leaves deeper scars than the physical abuse.

We may not find that temporary restraining order because things disappear but it is well established that his wife wore bruises on her body. He was an abuser of both forms and what he did was very powerful to the minds of the people he targeted.

Anonymous said...

Hi br,

I wasn't attributing it conspiracy. I was speaking of Floyd only. I am not so sure I think there was a conspiracy planned. McKay had called for Sugar Hill back-up - not sure he would have done that if there was a plan in place with Floyd. I think he wanted Wentworth to handle the stop with him and that was his plan, so to speak. Some have spoken of missing dispatch. Both Wentworth and Culver have stated McKay asked specifically for Wentworth. Wentworth is the one that that said he did not know Liko but heard he was a dirtbag. We can also hear Wentworth tell dispatch he is familiar with Liko's name. I think he wanted Wentworth to know exactly who he was pulling over prior to his arrival.

I don't think Floyd is that smart or clever to be part of a plan (I could be wrong on that too) and I think he is incredibly disturbed psychologically. I don't think he could even remember a plan if he made one. He couldn't even remember what he said to the ST from two min. before he would say the opposite. He seems almost delusional to me. He seems proud of all his supposed killing and secret government crap. I think he fancied himself this big soldier that night.

What would make it more important to block 116 from that side of McKay's body? It seems more traffic volume would come from the other direction.

Anonymous said...

Debby, it would make sense to protect McKay from traffic on that side of the road because that's the side where McKay collapsed, and people on that side of the road would be coming from the Easton direction. Looking at the picture, assuming that McKay had staggered across the road to near where Liko's car was located (seems like a reasonable assumption, since reports are that Connie McKenzie was performing CPR on McKay at the end of her driveway, right? and the trail of blood led across the road), even if there was more traffic coming from town than from Easton, the traffic coming from town wouldn't have been as much as a threat to McKay, since it would have been in the lane near where McKay was lying.

Anonymous said...

I am not implying that Wentworth was aware of what McKay was up to. I don't think he did.

Anonymous said...

br, I get your point. I can see that.

Anonymous said...

In the last sentence I meant

"since it would NOT have been in the lane near where McKay was lying."

And honestly, I don't read anything into McKay asking specifically for a Sugar Hill unit (I don't think he gave Wentworth's number, just asked for "Sugar Hill"). We've all heard the occasional horror story about dispatch not always knowing the local geography as well as the locals, and McKay very well could have just been trying to speed things up a step by noting that in his location, Sugar Hill would have been the logical choice. Had he been up on 142 by e.g. Copper Cannon, he might have requested Bethlehem, and I wouldn't have read anything into that, either.

Anonymous said...

When I was suggesting an investigation into Mckay's 'workout' schedules and/or potential steroid usage (which would be confirmed by an actual autopsy report with detailed chemical anaylses) and pointedly NOT an (already proven corruption laden AG report ON the actual autopsy report & analysis from the physician who conducted it and did the testings)
but Mckay's gym habits and wherever le worked out in a professional enviornment...where associates and others could be investigated as to relative steriod use, or not...
In this fully corrupted enviornment, I see no reason to accept ANYTHING from the AG 'report' as reliable.

no i never mentioned that floyd was his work out partner; floyd dosent' even work out with a toothbrush...

...but little man with the puffed up cop-drag look and the slew of rage reports in his unprofessional violent history, would reasonably lead a searching investiator to 'close the loops' and check these simple things in earnest.

OR does not a situation this serious, and fully corrupted, deserve some possible chemical answers for Mckay's behaviors?

I'm very willing to readily admit it could just be his psycho-sexual abuse psychopathology in action...
but an "autopsy report" that mentions nothing but 'caffeine' is suspect to me, as is the complete lack of a professional investigation, and top of that, intentional lies, truncations, conflicting statements etc...

maybe it wasn't roids, maybe he's just a sick screw up because of psycho reasons alone...
but it seems they went to great pains to find 'cannabis resin' in some proportion in MR. Kenney...and it seems there was NO BLOOD ANALYSIS OR TESTING AT ALL reported on murderer Floyd...with an admitted history of multiple psych drug use, and a felonious history of selling PCP...
common and standard tests were NOT Forthcoming at all in floyds case, and just an errant 'caffeine' statement, without an actual report on mckay...

...since the AG and the fpd and the selectboard and the reconcilation team did not investigate anything that hasn't been reported in a consistently and overtly corrupted and/or secretive manner; it would be foolish not to investigate all areas and 'close all loops'...

sure, maybe mckay was just a pure sexual-violent pscyho...but he looks like a little puffed up dork to me, trying really hard to be all buff...so let's investigate this area, and all other areas of mckays peripheral 'work related' activities...
...failing that, an independent physcian who speializes in forensics of this sort must be allowed to work in neutrality...

so first let's see the full mckay autopsy report (ha, like they're gonna cough up ANYTHING without a subpoena)...
if it's not avaiable and sufficent other means, such as dna etc...cannot ascertain this, then what?
dig him up? or would the blood chemicals be already deteriorated?
or just assume, lacking a thorough investigation hard copy of the doctors actual report and specific chemical analyses, that this more cover up fodder...

i know this will be an unpleasant thought to many; so is murder; so is a double homicide, so is a coverup so hugely corrupted, so arrogantly and dishonestly presented, and so inherently full of intentional lies.

where's floyd's report on blood/drug analsis...
we've got MR. Kenneys...
where's mckay's actual autopsy report with specific chemical analysis information?

and yes, where did the little guy pump himself up...and what's the steroid scene around the local gyms, especially where officers might be proliferate...

Anonymous said...

br,

Thanks for taking a look at the photo with me and conversing about it. By doing so, I am able to see other options and keeps my mind open to different possibilities. There are so many scenarios that we can play out. Things happen so fast that most likely the people involved are not 100% sure about certain things.

I think Floyd is so doped up that he probably doesn't know the truth. I am appalled to know how long they let him roam around the scene before questioning or separating him from others as they did Caleb. If you notice in one part of his statement he actually uses Caleb's name.... not cool. He did not know Caleb.

I don't think it is a powerful piece of info on Wentworth but the two officer's statements indicate that McKay knew who was on duty that day. I didn't think anything of it at first because I thought he just asked for Sugar Hill but two Officers note Wentworth. I believe Wentworth is younger and had made friends with McKay. He may have been more influenced by him in regards to how the stop went down, how far it was taken. Not a big piece at all, just something I took note of.

I also feel very certain that McKay was after Liko that day and obviously knew where to find him as he had a routine. It is my sister he passed by a 1/2 mile before Liko. I know you have been here long enough to know that story. There really isn't anything that could change my mind about Liko being targeted and that he was being looked for on that day. The time span is too short between the two violations and the speeders was far greater. Not to mention she found his non-responsive manner highly unusual (she was half expecting him to turn around because it didn't make sense to her), and was still in her drive unloading her car when she heard the sirens go off.

I do feel that McKay had been "setting the stage" to take Liko down.

Anonymous said...

7:33,

Do you think the fact that they DIDN'T do so many things that should have been done would be significant in a courtroom or not? Would it reflect poorly on their credibility or just be overlooked as shoddy work?

Christopher King said...

I think this goes beyond the shoddy and into the realm of the cover up.

And yes when you look at where everything was positioned you realize Liko HAD to drive in the direction he did to get out onto the road -- because the mailbox was in the direct line and there was Floyd standing there with a gun, too.

***********

Why are they trying to keep so many things hidden?

And BR where is the link to the online materials that you referenced?

It would be great to have that.

Thanks,

-c

Anonymous said...

7:43
Good question, and I don't know the answer as I'm not a legal professional.

I don't know the legal line, and it might be a 'grey' one, as to just where 'lack of credibility' transects with 'shoddy work.'

Nor do I know where any of these two variables may cross the line into actual actionable criminal negligence and obstruction of justice...

I will postulate a personal non-legal opinion however, if you don't mind.

One of Encarta's definitions "shoddy" is "dishonest or disgraceful"...

the 'dishonesty' in an official report in a double homicide...and purposeful negligence in the line of duty to obscure facts and obstruct justice is a serious matter to me...

How serious it is to the disgraced "law" in NH, or the disgraced pd, selectboard and state rep. in Franconia is another matter...

They seem to have a very high tolerance for dishonesty and obstruction as long as it's coming from their own internal circles of deceit...

They seem to have a very low tolerance if a kid is playing hackey sack in front of the treat...
so, go figger...

everything must be revealed, whether reasonably actionable or not; and everything must be investigated in a searching way now; these are small towns, people will have a clue to share if we bring up the possible scearios...

...we are left to ourselves to attempt a thoughtful investigation, considering what was released & received as an 'official report' was essentially a declaration of war against the people, the truth already lying murdered in the street...

If "shoddy work" is dishonest, then it's incumbent on us to indentify any other rogues and start some quality control and dismissals...

and also, such le in franconia is mostly nothing more than a vicious hostile murderous joke, it's incumbent on the citenry to investigate themselves, or hrie neutral professionals to do so.

I thought that maybe these seemingly peripheral questions, might be better to be raised...they may bear fruit.

Thus the postulations; the public has been treated with disdain and contempt, and our le officials clearly do neither represent, nor much care for, the law.

That's the problem.
That WAS the problem.
That CREATED the problem.
That IS the problem.

Where's the gyms? where's the cops work out? who's the white collar drug dealer 'in the know' in littleton area??

Gee it would be nice if we had these, what do you call them??? detectives...yeh, detectives. would be nice to have one of those in service of the truth.
These animals have to make a sworn pledge to receive their badge and gun do they not? They violate that pledge, they are criminals, or at least perps deserving a thorough and humane investiation and shakedown.
It would seem reasonable to truth seeking folks who might have noticed that two people died ON THE WHIM OF A ROUGUE COP WITH YEARS OF DIRTY RECORD...AND HIS PARTNER IN CRIME, WHO CLAIMS 43 KILLS...WAS NEVER HELD, CHARGED or PROPERLY INVESTIGATED...AND HE'S ON THE LOOSE...
There's already been a statement from Caleb as well as our town mom in the village store, showing that Floyd was cavalier at the store the next day, announcing his kill in such a manner 'as if he were talking about killing rabbits' (while searching for some glory in the sold out newspapers)...and Caleb's testimony that he was acting wild, crazy and continued to endanger and threat...
and the Sugar Hill responding officer's report that Floyd threatened even him, when ordered to drop the guns (easy son, i'm quicker than you)...

...a lie of omission is still a lie. and perhaps readily so in a legal context also if perpetrated by a sworn and trained officer of the law.

Anonymous said...

8:40,

As disheartening as it is, I agree with your post. It isn't going to be pushed down this time though and will come to the forefront.

I hope it does matter in a court of law...the negligence in the investigation. It is hard to say it was an oops, when done with one witness and not another.

Anonymous said...

br at 5:27
laughin' with ya, buddy
TL

Anonymous said...

http://www.hrw.org/reports98/police/uspo14.htm Human Rights Watch

Shielded from Justice

Police brutality is one of the most serious, enduring, and divisive human rights violations in the United States. The problem is nationwide, and its nature is institutionalized. For these reasons, the U.S. government - as well as state and city governments, which have an obligation to respect the international human rights standards by which the United States is bound - deserve to be held accountable by international human rights bodies and international public opinion.............
Police abuse experts, and some police officials, refer to "problem" officers, by which they mean officers who either have significant records of abuse or significant records of complaints from the public, and who thus should receive special monitoring, training and counseling to counter the heightened risk that they will be involved in some future incident of misconduct or brutality....Write to your city government and urge it to require your police department to create and utilize "early warning" or "at-risk" systems to identify officers who are the subjects of repeated complaints or civil lawsuits alleging misconduct. A small percentage of officers often taint an entire police force because police superiors do not act to hold them accountable by supervising, disciplining, or dismissing them when appropriate. An effective early warning system could make a difference.

Anonymous said...

Police abuse experts, and some police officials, refer to "problem" officers, by which they mean officers who either have significant records of abuse or significant records of complaints from the public, and who thus should receive special monitoring, training and counseling to counter the heightened risk that they will be involved in some future incident of misconduct or brutality

Anonymous said...

Chris, the on-line stuff I was referring to is the pages (just a smattering) that the UL posted here:

http://www.unionleader.com/uploads/media-items/2007/McKayReports2/officers.html

Unfortunately, people on dial-up need not apply. :(

Anonymous said...

Hey Kelly,

Floyd wants your address.

Anonymous said...

Somebody's gotta take this song and a collage of Floyd pics and put it up on youtube as a tribute from kelly Ayotte.

Holding Out for a Hero - Bonnie Tyler

Where have all the good men gone and where are all the gods?
Where's the great white Hercules to fight the rising odds?
Isn't there a white knight upon a fiery steed?
Late at night I toss and I turn and I dream of what i need

I need a hero
I'm holding out for a hero till the end of the night
he's gotta be strong and he's gotta be fast
and gotta be fresh from the fight
I need a hero
I'm holding out for a hero till the morning light
He's gotta be sure and he's gotta be soon
And he's gotta be larger than life
Larger than life

Somewhere after midnight
In my wildest fantasies
Somewhere just beyond my reach
There's someone reaching back for me
Racing on the thunder and rising with the heat
It's gonna take a Superman to sweep me off my feet

I need a hero
I'm holding out for a hero till the end of the night
he's gotta be strong and he's gotta be fast
and gotta be fresh from the fight
I need a hero
I'm holding out for a hero till the morning light
He's gotta be sure and he's gotta be soon
And he's gotta be larger than life
Larger than life

I the mountains neath the heavens above
Out where the lightning strikes the sea
I can swear that there's someone somewhere watching me
Through the wind and the chill and the rain
and the storm and the flood
I can feel his approach like a fire in my blood

I need a hero
I'm holding out for a hero till the end of the night
he's gotta be strong and he's gotta be fast
and gotta be fresh from the fight
I need a hero
I'm holding out for a hero till the morning light
He's gotta be sure and he's gotta be soon
And he's gotta be larger than life
Larger than life

Here's an example:

http://youtube.com/watch?
v=2s7uwmJKtgk

Anonymous said...

I think Floyd is misunderstood. Like the Abominable Snowman in "Rudolf the Red-Nosed Reindeer".

Anonymous said...

Good. Yes good.

silver and gold, silver and gold.


your analogy is spot on. or spon ot, or potsno.

Anonymous said...

I am going to be glad when we get a few more posts away from this because I just can't handle that picture of Floyd. Poor Caleb. What a trauma.



5/11-
"Does anyone have any extra pills on hand? It's really late and I haven't had any since 5:00. Oh, you only have insulin? OK, shoot me up."