10 July 2007

KingCast puts NH AGs Ayotte and Strelzin on actual notice of false statements issued by their office in Franconia shooting tragedy.

I'm blind to you, haters... Can't touch me war instigators.....

Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 17:30:40 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Christopher King"
Subject: Omnibus 91-A questions on Franconia and State v. King/Deboisbriand
To: Kelly.Ayotte@doj.nh.gov, Jeffery.Strelzin@doj.nh.gov
CC: Kingjurisdoctor@yahoo.com, "Robbins, Joanne" Joanne.Robbins@doj.nh.gov

Mr. Strelzin:

I am narrowing the issues here and couching them in one email chain for clarity but first I'm going to set just a few things straight:

1. The only person who claims that Liko ran into McKay while standing -- or even AT ALL before Floyd fired a shot at Liko -- is Floyd, the same man who said he was involved in Viet Nam era activities and who Easton Police Chief Robert Every thought was an imminent threat to society. To wit:
"All of us have made mistakes in our lives; in Mr. Floyd's case the behavior extends beyond a mistake; there is a pattern, a pattern of past violence, paranoid behavior and excessive anger. While no one can predict the future, I feel Mr. Floyd is capable of showing up at Lafayette Elementary School or at a neighbor's house with an automatic weapon and that the
danger to the public safety far outweighs the minimal intrusion a check of his premises for automatic weapons would represent."

Even Floyd's son was very explicit at p. 745 of his statement in noting that Liko did not run McKay over the first time, i.e. "Floyd Junior notes that Liko "didn't actually hit the officer" the first time." Caleb Macaulay's statement was similar in that regard.

2. It is painfully evident that Floyd lied about reaching into the window and about saying anything before he shot. Caleb said he didn't, and Floyd Junior's testimony is entirely sketchy.....[ snip]

44 comments:

Christopher King said...

"All I know is what my dad heard, saying, don't you reload the gun." [Which of course we know to be hogwash because Floyd and Caleb have both acknowledged that Floyd never said a word. See Floyd at p.20 of the PDF file and Caleb at p.11 of the final report.]

And for Christ's sake you can read Caleb picking glass out of his head at page 684 Caleb so you know Floyd lied about how he shot through an allegedly open window, placing his arm on Caleb's adam's apple. "No, my window was shattered, sir.... they're sort of stuck in my scalp a little bit so it's hard to get them out." [Addendum: The official report also notes at p. 26 "The passenger side window was in the fully up position but the glass was in fragments."]

AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST:

Page 687: "That guy I thought pretty much had the gun pointed at us before we even got on the road."

Followed by:

"He was laughing and stuff." The guy was very, very it was almost like crazed.... page 697 "and he kept, like, 'Oh I shot him good and stuff like that....'"

Sound[sic] to me like Shooter Floyd had a Master Plan as soon as (or perhaps even before) Liko shot McKay, and
that plan was to execute at least one of those young men.

Did y'all check the phone records to and from the McKay and Floyd cell phones and residences? What about any scanner activity that evening? Any activity between the two men? Sure would be a natural thing to investigate in a case like this, and I'm just wondering if your office had done that within 24 hours, or whether you all had reviewed ANY of the above statements before Attorney Ayotte gave Floyd a pass on EVERYTHING (re: Liko AND Caleb) within 24 hours and wrote that now infamous email to Attorney X in one business day? Just curious.

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There. Now Attorney Ayotte and you are on ACTUAL NOTICE of just some of the countless material discrepancies between the testimony and your published report, which -- at 43 pages -- is the same number of people that Shooter Floyd gloated over as he said "

"All I know is what my dad heard, saying, don't you reload the gun." [Which of course we know to be hogwash because Floyd and Caleb have both acknowledged that Floyd never said a word. See Floyd at p.20 of the PDF file and Caleb at p.11 of the final report.]

First:

A. Please produce a copy of your protocol and procedures for investigating a homicide involving civilians.

B. Please produce a copy of your protocol and procedures for investigating a homicide involving law enforcement, if different.

Second:

Your responses to my inquiry of 4 July 2007 seeking an accounting of costs in the failed cases against former Jaffrey Officer Aaron Deboisbriand and me appears overdue:

Here is the substance of that request:

Dear Attorney Ayotte:

What was the cost of prosecuting the three (3) failed cases against me:

State v. King, Cheshire Cty. 05 S-387
State v. King, Cheshire Cty. 05 S-388
State v. King, Hillsborough South 05 E 430

That were all dismissed without plea and as Jaffrey Chief Dunn (with whom you partnered in the failed case against Aaron Deboisbriand) got fired and Prosecutor Bill Albrecht went out under an ethics investigation (para. 2).

While you're at it, what was the cost of State v. Deboisbriand as well, you know, the one in which the Jury returned a verdict against you and Marty in about an hour.

Third, old business:

--- "Strelzin, Jeffery" Jeffery.Strelzin@doj.nh.gov wrote:

1. The portion of page 928 of the materials you referred to was redacted in accordance with RSA 106-H:14.

........If you're going to invoke H:14 then ALL of the WAV files should be redacted but they most definitely are not. So the redaction appears sleazy, sloppy, or both.

http://christopher-king.blogspot.com/2007/07/kingcast-shares-littleton-courier-piece.html

2. A copy of the one page note Dave Melby gave us is in the materials. He did not give us any additional notes.

........are you saying that the entirety of the letter that Dave Melby gave you has been produced and that there is no signature or other pages?

4. All the recorded statements have been listed on the 91-A sheet previously provided to you.

.........So are you telling me that there is no recorded statement for Allan Clark, Sugar Hill FD first responder?

.........So you are telling me that there is no recorded statement for Cameron Shaw Duran or anyone named "Cam?"

.........And do you have any statement from Cameron Shaw Duran or anyone named "Cam?"

5. A copy of Caleb Macaulay's interview (CD and transcript) has been provided to you. It is more than thirteen minutes long.

.........I have read the transcript. The CD did not play in a new BMW, an old SAAB, or anywhere else until we enhanced it and then it went out at 13 minutes. Let's schedule a time for me to meet you in the lobby with a CD player to check into this matter. Please provide some available days and times in the next week or two.

Best regards,

Christopher King, J.D.
KingCast.net
Justiceforkids.net

Christopher King said...

Ahhh.... let's go back in time, shall we... to the previous post:

http://christopher-king.blogspot.com/2007/07/wmur-agrees-that-liko-kenney-should.html

Anonymous said...
When is the potluck fundraiser for Chris' movie? This is a good idea, I hope it comes to fruition. A movie will translate well into other outlets and to interested parties around the globe what Chris and the advocates are trying to accomplish here. Its really not about Liko or McKay anymore (though I can sense in Chris ' words that he has a spiritual tie to Liko, understands what troubled him), its more about the idea that people are trying to gain some control over their government in its day to day presence in their life. Citzen's boards, censure of official action, and creating a source of information other than the WMURs of the world are possible, and that is what Kingcast and the Chris King led coalition is about. In the specific, we are piercing the thin blue line, but in the broader sense we are asking people to empower these ideas, and asking Chris King to be the spokesperson.

Chris is capable and trustworthy. We have nothing to lose.

10:18 AM

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.....Exactly. My crew and I help people see how they can harness the power of contemporary media to question or to petition or to even praise our government.

But for that I've certainly taken my hits, click on Terry Gilbert in this post about the Patriot Act:

http://christopher-king.blogspot.com/2007/07/kingcast-prepares-for-independene-day.html

.....but it's all coming Full Circle right about now and yes I will be a very spiritual and strong leader in the "Franconia 5/11" videos and in that courtroom when I move for Bruce McKay's personnel file and Tim Stephenson's complete arrest file.

Supporters, detractors, everybody come on by and see how our American Jurisprudential system operates in a matter that cuts right to the bone:

The issue of when you can and cannot shoot a rogue cop and the consequences that follow from that action -- involving vigilante Justice from a known threat to the area by Easton Police Chief Every, mind you -- and including a study of how the mass media covers these issues.

Sit right on down because it's going to be a long ride.

Peace, Namaste, Aloha.

Christopher King said...

At 12:52 p.m. today I had a 6:57 conversation with Union Leader State House Bureau Chief Tom Fahey.

We disagreed about some things. Chiefly, I said that Liko's intent given an accurate portrayal of the background including the very NON-SUSPICIOUS Fox Hill Park that we visited recently is highly relevant.

He wasn't so much into that, but he was into the question of this Floyd guy, and in this post, then, I have conveyed his concerns -- and some of mine -- directly to the two most powerful attorneys in the State of New Hampshire.

Again, everyone sit back and prepare for the ride.

Christopher King said...

From: [blankety-blank]
To: kingjurisdoctor@yahoo.com
Subject: KingCast - 21st Century Civil Rights
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 08:05:45 -0400

I have been following your blog and applaud your tenacity. You have the story pegged and may not know but there are other pressures being applied on this end. As a longtime resident, friend of the Kenney-Miller family, friend of the McCauley’s.....

[We] demand for the truth including McKays’ past, the botched investigation, and the actual actions of Floyd. It is well known that Floyd is a sociopath and it has been my contention that his presence was more than a coincidence. The AG’s botched investigation has left Floyd running around and I am still outraged.......

12:02 PM

Christopher King said...

Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 18:51:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Christopher King" kingjurisdoctor@yahoo.com
Subject: Omnibus 91-A questions on Franconia and State v. King/Deboisbriand
To: kelly.ayotte@doj.nh.gov, "Strelzin, Jeffery" Jeffery.Strelzin@doj.nh.gov
CC: kingjurisdoctor@yahoo.com

Mr. Strelzin:

I am in receipt of Attorney Ayotte's responses to the old matters, and I shall await your tardy response on the costs of prosecuting the failed cases against former Jaffrey Officer Deboisbriand and me as well as the new materials requested on your homicide investigation protocol.

With regard to your answers to the unresolved old matters, I note that you have nothing to say about why some portions less damaging to the State's position (i.e. the ones that don't identify Floyd as training a gun on Caleb) are NOT redacted. Again, this is what I said in case you missed it:

1. The portion of page 928 of the materials you referred to was redacted in accordance with RSA 106-H:14.

........If you're going to invoke H:14 then ALL of the WAV files should be redacted but they most definitely are not. So the redaction appears sleazy, sloppy, or both.

Did you miss it or is it you just don't care to comment on that now. Will you comment on it at any point in the foreseeable future or will you wait until you receive my Amended Ethics Complaint?

And I'm not dropping off anything at your office. We will listen to both of the CDs you gave me together or not at all. You tell me.

And when are you going to give me an answer about the cost of prosecuting me from my activities as NAACP legal chair?

If you think Liko was badgering McKay in 2003 at French Hill Park you've got another thing coming, because I'm just getting started with you guys.

Best regards,

Christopher King, J.D.
KingCast.net
Justiceforkids.net

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Subject: RE: 91-A questions on Franconia Case
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 20:52:07 -0400
From: "Strelzin, Jeffery" Jeffery.Strelzin@doj.nh.gov
To: "Christopher King" kingjurisdoctor@yahoo.com
Mr. King:

In response to your RSA 91-A requests on the Franconia case:


2. A copy of the one page note Dave Melby gave us is in the materials. He did not give us any additional notes.

........are you saying that the entirety of the letter
that Dave Melby gave you has been produced and that there is no signature or other pages?
Here is your response:

A copy of the one page note Dave Melby gave us is
in the materials. He did not give us any additional
notes or pages.


4. All the recorded statements have been listed on
the 91-A sheet previously provided to you.

.........So are you telling me that there is no
recorded statement for Allan Clark, Sugar Hill FD
first responder?

.........So you are telling me that there is no
recorded statement for Cameron Shaw Duran or anyone named "Cam?"

.........And do you have any statement from Cameron Shaw Duran or anyone named "Cam?"

Here is your response:

All the recorded statements have been listed on
the 91-A sheet that was provided to you.



5. A copy of Caleb Macaulay's interview (CD and
transcript) has been provided to you. It is more than thirteen minutes long.

.........I have read the transcript. The CD did not
play in a new BMW, an old SAAB, or anywhere else until we enhanced it and then it went out at 13 minutes. Let's schedule a time for me to meet you in the lobby with a CD player to check into this matter. Please provide some available days and times in the next week or two.

Here is your response:

You can drop off your current copy of the CD of Caleb McCaulay's interview and we will inspect it within 5 days. If it is defective, we will replace it at no cost.

If you wish to keep your current copy and want a new copy , you can order one from us.

Christopher King said...

And this comment is in your face to NH Insider weenie Bob who believes Kelly Ayotte is a wonderful AG:

It's a recent post on his own website from someone else who knows Bruce McKay was a bully, rogue cop who got what he asked for:

http://www.websitetoolbox.com/tool/post/nhinsider/vpost?id=1980987

Today at 08:36 PM
Stop trying to make Bruce McKay look like a hero.
He was nothing more than a bully who should never have been a police officer. McKay's actions directly led to his own death, and that of another person. There was no reason for him to go looking for a fight.

This whole thing was his fault. Yes, McKay once made a traffic stop that led to the arrest of many people. That was his job.
Nothing more. Stop with the hero talk. Jeremy Charron and Michael Briggs are examples of great heroes. Bruce McKay is not in their league.

George Vreeland Hill

Anonymous said...

ONE HAS A MORAL RESPONSIBILITY
TO DISOBEY UNJUST LAW


How fortunate for leaders,
that men do not think.

Adolph Hitler



Never forget that everything Hitler did in Germany was legal.

Martin Luther King



Injustice Anywhere is a Threat to Justice Everywhere.

Martin Luther King

Anonymous said...

well it's probably too long, so kindly excuse me and do feel free to skip the post altogether
......but it's early in the morn and i've had troubled sleep, this is how things look to me...forgive me the rant.
yer anonymuss...
__ __ __ __ _

i'll never forget Liko raising both his empty hands, gesturing Mckay to stop the ramming, and showing him cleasrly empty hands, scared he was, an open window...no weaons, he let mckay approach; he & possibly Caleb also, gesturing and asking roadside witness (the complicit snake in waiting...scanner ON, and there from the market and thru both times Liko stopped stopped. The first time he stopped for the police, as everyone does when they see the lights; then he saw the particuarly officer, knowing his well his brutality and history of violence and lies...(i don't say 'lies' lightly...An attoreny who had dealt with him has posted here publically about how Mckay cut a deal to avoid allowing the judge to see the video of yet another simple traffic stop that somehow ended up in violence and arrest and a macing...(he always chooses kids in school, or slight women, or young kids to intimidate...and to release mace upon; yes even in a school, making other children ill and freaking out the administration...the man had serious issues...serious problems...no, not entirely true; not always kids...he put his hand on his gun and told adult community member Tim Stephenson that he'd do "ANYTHING" it took to drive him out of town...)

aannnwaayyy, the lawyer for the defendant, (Trumped serious charges over a possible traffic infraction)...cuts the deal, gets some considerations for his client and Mckay gets to hide this cop cam appearance from the Judge in our Courts...
THEN, the son of a gun, files inappropriate and devious papers to the clerk, trying the double screw...the attorney couldn't belive it...this is not professional, never mind honest or ethical or legally proper behaviours...

anyway, Liko, Mr. Stephenson, the kids who got maced in school, the principal who called for help and ended up with a psycho on his hands traumatizing his students...and many others to come to light, afer police chief monti-me is finally smacked around (Legally) enough to either give release (as is the public's right) Mckay's records and related facts in his history...
OR, if taking Ayottes example, if Monti-me destroyed or insists on withholding this information, perhaps the next officer in line can be cheif, while Monti is forced to resign until it can be discerned whether legal action against him and the department is something we decide to do)....

anyway, I'll never forget Liko...so many things about him...endearing things...as his manager in agway reports...two kids working full time trying to save to start a business in a small family farm paradigm...Liko was a beautiful man and important gracious soul, even amidst his sensitivies, and his angry, frightened reactions to being harassed in an enviornment, where try as he may...and i'm guilty too, i'm an adult...but try as he may...i didn't know how relentless and sick Mckay was in his never ending campaign to get Liko stomped and make some kind of statement to himself about his own (lack of self) worth, or maybe just a brutal thug getting off on his power and psycho/sexual stuff, as is common...as most insecure people are wont to do given a little authority...AND if the rumors, and/or charges, dropped or not, regarding his brutality to his first wife are true...that certainly shows psychological/sexual dynamic to his pathology...which makes Liko's fear of rape, and claims of Mckay pushing his groin into Liko's face once he had him swarmed by assisting officers, and at least partially shackled...(circa '03)
this is where Liko, alledgedly, grabbed Mckay's balls (and what a fate those balls would eventually encounter four years later when floyd sucker punched liko with a bullet to the head thru the windshield, directly causing mckays scrotal sac to rip open in the road, along with other serious contusions, and five .45 slugs in his side) and back then in '03, Mckay responded by full out sucker punching in the jaw hard enough to break it...the x rays don't show a break says the d.a.) perhaps true, perhaps a crack, perhaps just a severe bruise to the face and head, i certainly saw him in the aftermath...it wasn't a defensive tap)
i often think that's the moment Mckay told God he wanted to get shot in the street and tore up...
no balls...too ironic...
he took his shot...and he got off on it for four years...creating a 'criminal' and a mythos rep...but he was a phony...

I remember again and again, Liko pulling off the road, Floyd's car in position at the scene already...giving Liko and Caleb some hope of a villager to witness and perhaps mitigate another sick display in a violent series, against men, women and children in school, by Mace-man Mckay...Officer Pepper...look at his smug closeup...u got to watch quick tho....

then Mckay violently, and repeatedly ramming that little car after Liko lucidly waves him down a few hundred feet to the Tamarack property where his family and other witnesses, workers could bear witness to this final act of terror...

ayotte and floyd lie and say he giving the middle finger to mckay...the closeups in the film will make this very clear...
tho it fits their copkiller out of control story...
but it's bullshit. gets those cops semper fying all over the country tho...

Liko had also made it clear during the first stop, when pulled over non-violently, saw it was Mckay, and proceded along the fair lines in an agreement that everyone knows WAS MADE, but monti-me is somehow king of the universe now, and dosen't have to give up public records or testify, until subpoenaed, and he considers himself a chief and an expert at testimony, so it will be especially great to see him get his ass handed to him in public...come on chief...you're drawing a line that's not legal and proper...EVERYTHING about the past would, and could be forgiven in time, if people didn't lie, obfuscate, hurl insult to the community...no one is suggesting that monty sanctioned this incident...but he's injecting himself into it as an adversary ruler refusing, cheney like, bush like, to refuse to release (in their case) presidential papers that came legally due...
...this kept the illegal sale of weapons and poison gas to sasddam hussein less publically known of course...the pictuer of Rumsfeld shaking his hand deferentially...
meanwhile reagan/bush 41 sell (illegally and while not in elected office) Iran arms in their war against Iraq...this is the family business; war profiteering...it goes back to Senator Prescott Bush who was sanctioned by the United States Congress in 1943 for, EVEN IN THE MIDST OF WAR, (that blue collar folks like my dad quit high school for, to be able to passionately fight for his country at war. And three of my siblings served; my pa was Navy, my brothers U.S. Army, and one a military police officer in the Marine Corp....
not a cop hater amongst us...quite the opposite...
as it is with most folks...but there is a sick tinderbox soaked with gasoline that ayotte has created up here...sorry to use that analogy again, i used in another post, but that's the best way i can think to put it...

I only bring this history up because i feel it's somewhat related...people who serve in the armed forces, actively support their local police giving them every benefit of the doubt, with much kind concern...are the average decent Americans among the outraged, sickened and endangered here...

so stay with this little cirle if you will...
cheney is in the nixon administration, as is bush 1 in a low level job...let's remember bush 1's dad is a war profiteer selling poison gas and other materials directly to the enemy...directly to the Nazis in the Third Reich...

so this is the criminal environment that the ann coulter/monica goodling/kelly ayotte young conservative grew up with...reagan, coward who never served a day in the war, unlike MANY of his contemporary film actors) with war profitter bush at his side, making a deal with Iran to keep the hostages and sink Carter's authority and presidency...
complete with media assistance..."NIGHTLINE THE HOSTAGE CRISIS DAY WHATEVER"
that's how nightline started...a smoke screen brown shirt bully attack against a sitting president,,,most of the entertainment conglomerates, but small jewels in the necklace of the major corporate elite who own the system...

what's this got to do with Liko? It encouraged an atmosphere of 'executive privilge' that allowed, and continues to allow, public officials, to hide behind their crimes and the crimes of their dynasty...it's built in arrogance and antagonism and avoidance of law...AND A BUILT IN PHILOSOPHY OF CHANGING REALITY AND HISTORY INTO A FAIRY TALE, PROMULGATED BY PRESS AND SCHOOLS AND MEDIA CLOWNS...
and this is what ayotte comes from and admires...these warlords and their dynasties went on a long range plan with falwell and his wingnut ilk...liberty college etc...
corral bunches of young conservatives with no particular achievement other than their passion to take sides and be good syncophants in exchange for a career in government...railroad them through essentially...

then the governor gets a nice young idealogue student to show off whatever they show off, and syncophants found a home...and then a way into an unearned appointment, skipping over dozens of career officers and adminstrators and prosecutors with actual fat experience decade after decade...
they (falwell/cheney/ayotte/goodling etc...)admit to these long range plans themselves...and proudly, until we all catch a break and JEEZZZUZZZZZ finally takes his immensely useless fat ass into the cold hard ground...

a long range plan to get these vapid goodling ayotte types into great power...there are only fifty state attorney generals in tne nation...we have the most arrogant, corrupt and heartless...the one with the most recent and obvious crimes...destroying evidence, tampering with it...refusing to release it, and then when forced to, it shows up arrogantly incomplete, shows incompetent police investigatory procedures... cerain evidence of tampering and destruction...and all this after weeks and weeks of propaganda that DIRECTLY REFUTES the testimony in the same document they were forced to release...however spun....
what a bunch of goddam arrogant nation destroyers...
and do not underestimate her power network...hugely directly supported by the rnc, THERE"S YOUR DAMN CONNECTION TO THE PREVIOUS CONTEXTUAL HISTORY ABOUT "LAWMAKERS" AND "LAWBEAKERS" (warlords really) ...because wake the heck up...it take a whole lot of money and sucking up to get one of those jobs, and go right to the head of the class...

she interrupted her dispassionate lower level placement at a law firm to be part of benson's personal legal counsel...god knows a professional politician needs a professional personal law staff at the ready, in case they get caught for one of the hudnreds of sweetheart deals they cut...

like fellow benson conselor brian gould...now in the employ of multi gazillionaire toxic treacherous death-man, Casella...
the guy who owns a toxic waste dump, cheaply built for much less capacity than has been crushed in ther years ago...but keeps it going, and get this...applies for TAX BREAKS as a 'pollution control' facility...that would be funny if it wasn't polluting one of the most important and pristine water tables in our entire country...OWNED BY EVERYONE...A NATIONAL FOREST. Breathe deep at historic Bretton Woods when you tourists take yer little ones there...breath deep Main Street Bethlehem...see how our skies, air, and precious water has been corrupted...
so casella wants TAX BREAKS because this toxic waste wite with a history of violations...dosen't want to pay tax to the town...just wants to dump toxic shit there from 3 states....faaarrr away from ayottes young child...
...well she's not a queen, even if the cops have to jump to her every royal whim...she's not a good lawyer, and she is a sell out disaster as an attorney general...she is a criminal, much more desructive than ANY she has prosecuted in this state...NO ONE ELSE gets away with domestic terrorism like intentionally destroying a water table, getting huge kickbacks, and keeping the town lost in hopeless litigation year after year after year...people fighting for their village, for all of us...for our mountains...for our mountains...
mountains kelly...not nashua/concord...mountains...mountains...floyd and mckay whatever shithole spit you guys out up toward us who love our mountains and each other...

it takes the heart right out of anyone with conscience...Liko couldn't believe that this beautiful place in these beautiful mountains...the wondroud history of hawthorne and frost, and the wild mountains, meadows and fields...one of the first pioneer outlets long before the july 4, 1776...

people self reliant, hard working, sensitive to nature, and deeply wise, independent and talented, in the ways mountain and counry people get if they stay in our wonderful forests for most of their lives...

so it haunts me to see Liko showing Mckay his hands..empty hands...gesturing for him to stop ramming, and to just drive a few hundred feet up the road...
if people don't know that road or those villages, there was NO WHERE for Liko to go without being popped by other officers...and he wasn't going anywhere anyway...he was almost home...

yes he had vodka in his car. unopened...if you don't drink good for you...
this shows reposibility...he worked all day, they were gonna have a drink when they got home...
if he had cannabis residue in his system...well, maybe he was in a place where people were using that herb, as they have for thousands of years, and some of it got into his system...hey, maybe he liked to smoke it...
that's millions and millions of alcohol driving deaths and alcohol related illness sanctioned by the state...drunken eagles or whatever lodge clubs and sports bars all over the country...good enough...maybe he had pot residue in his system. so execute him. because that can be dangerous...ever go to the supermarket after some potheads have been there???
good luck getting any vienna fingers or powdered donuts, those bastids...

so the kid put his hands, up stopped the car, begged for the agreement he bravely and exhaustively worked out with the now closed mouth chief and pansyass do-nothing select board....to be satisfied...
just a few more feet and he's home...mckay has adult supervision and witnesses...liko takes his ticket or his bust or whatever trip mckay needed to go on, over nothing except his targetted rage...

but noooo...
scanner man floyd in the big setup...lives to kill...tells everyone...cops he's gonna shoot in the head to avoid their vests...meter readers he's gonna shoot in the face...school teachers, students...anyone at all...
he's killed 43' was in nam. (bullshit) was busted for pot....(bullshit that was SELLING PCP- quite a different thing)
aw, liko tried so hard...
it's so sad...

he did everything right..everything measured. everything intelligent...and he still got got...he knew who he was dealing with...and that smack down in '03 is probably what really killed mckay in the long run...

well, he had to try to beat someone down with weaponry when they weren't handcuffed...that's all le is gonna get from this...be more vivcious....

mckay was shot in the side not in the back...was he turning to shoot and did liko know it? did he get a shot off? floyd saw liko's gun fly out of his window, in his testimony, so what was liko gonna shoot him with??
but Liko still had his gun...
and instead of giving floyd a third eye...that never came to his mind...but it was ALL floyd was thinking about...a clean kill and a quick getaway...goes good with 45 psychiatric drugs, a lying soul and a cache of weapons and a big mouth that he's mostly closed, hiding out like the little shit he is...cause you know, easy floyd, someone's faster than you boy...

so...you give up, you go according to an agreement that you worked out after an improper and illegal invasion and beat down...
you put your hands up...you gesture to a few feet down the road where you are ready for complete complicance amidst many members of the family, the staff and the public...

mckay wasn't having it...now he's dead.
floyd shot liko thru the windshield and that's what got mckays balls ripped open after liko peppered him back, and perhaps protected himself from a full on gun attack by mckay...(his gun was out at the scene....it's never been made clear...or has it...did floyd take mckays gun out of his holster??
why did floyd jr. aleadly ahve a pre=prepared bullshit story that's been absolutely proven as lies...immediately upon the scene...floyd the killer scanner man...what the hell does he think he is batman?
he's not a vet, he's mysterious about his past...is he a hired government killer? or some killer rat who turned evidence and was sent to the mountains for protection...or most likely, is he just a death pscho asshole...he sure aint semper fi hero...he LIED, 50,000 died...while he was a kid not ten...
but he struts around and talks about the 'mud and the blood'...that's his sex life with barnyard animals he's describing i guess...it sure wasn't vietnam...

there was no way out for Liko, and nobody helped him...he went to court he went to the authorties; mckay orchestrated an event out of each of these incidents, giving liko the stephenson treatment...

ayotte and the authorities, had they cared about truth, could have avoided muchif not all of this controversy...but simply releasing efficient and proper procedural reports...
paying repsects ala lynch to the fallen officer to all the people who came up to march...(very few locals showed up for his funeral or gave a good damn)...
don't tell me it was raining...it was raining at Liko's celebration too...several hundred strong...
people who KNEW him...cared about him; loved him...

we hear the 'touching' stories proving mckay was a good father, if not wife beater...he let his young daughter put fingernail polish on him....awwwwww, how sweettt!!!
unless he was working out his inner female, which he wasn't comfortable but couldn't entire repress...similar to pumping up for live dash cam shots spraying kids and looking smug, getting in touch with the strong inner man he KNEW He wasn't or would never be...
what are you gonna do rape me?
said liko in '03....Liko was on to something here...
Liko was a local...we know what comes and goes around so to speak...

so, get ready for a big bang of some sort...the a.g. will play remote but her ass is in a major grinder and there's a lot of big rnc/bush reagan money behind her...at some point they will abandon her as she becomes devalued and irrelevant to being a funcgtionary in their agenda...she's going down...unless she 'has' somesthing on somebody ala libby did with cheney...i think she's going down...i know she needs to...
there are only 50 state ag's in the country...(and we all know the natinonal one is torture king and hasn't obeyed a law in his entire lying career)
so she's got police computers available, fed computers, each state probabl...stuff even private investigators can't crack...and she will attack...chris claims seven hack attacks on weekend? they've tried to crucify him a number of times...what they can't do publically, because their talents are laughable and the law dosen't support their warlord hate agenda...they will do silently...they will bring down peoples' machines and careers clandestinely...so i have much respect for anyone who posts here...more people need to stand up...and write in...le from out of state and out of the political pressure, or really brave local officers here who know the score...and love the truth and the law...should start helping in greater numbers...tho there is plenty of evidence as is...and we are getting to it...thing is, we already know it..everyone here does...and if chris is half the docu editor as he is a litigant, this will be seen...
people here should stay in communication with each other...
this is real heat...and it's only just begun...she was too arrogant to heed the clear warnings...she stuck us country folk up her ass and her opinions, reports, career opportunism at the expense of the law, the 'authority' and spin coming from her are ultimately irrelevant, except as a case study in how to ruin your bigass career before your forty...she'll sink faster than senator macaca in virgina...yes kelly, it happens that fast...whoooooshhhhh...like a toilet flushing...

... but acting that law and order tough stuff...that keeps that murdoch money coming in...
and drunks, as well as the well meaning uninformed, mumbling about semper fi heros and bad copkillers on the loose...yes floyd is on the loose...
...so that bullboy shit works...keeps a young achiever thinking maybe she can go further and further...but it all stops here Kelly.

we'll have to clean up them mess you made...you're a bad dogg, now git...
you roll in shit, you don't get to sleep in the house...except the big house.

sooo warlords, generations of profiteers, elections and appointment by special favor($) and cozy frindships with the big RNC funders...'exectuve privilige' supreme arrogance outside the bounds of law...hell, she's doing what she's taught...what the elite laugh at the little people about...she's on the fast track baby...
to hell.
i hope she repents in jail after five or ten years...there's still hope for, not as full citizen with all rights, but there's great mercy in Americans...first she has to come clean, or get nailed...we're taking care of the latter...she never considers the former.

Anonymous said...

You probably know that Caleb said that Cam probably saved his life just by being there. I personally saw him drive away when I was at scene as they were working on McKay. Also you may want to check with the neighbors who witnessed the younger Floyd yelling "I am just an innocent bystander, I am jus an innocent bystander", multiple times just after everything went down.

Anonymous said...

"...The issue of when you can and cannot shoot a rogue cop and the consequences that follow from that action -- involving vigilante Justice from a known threat to the area by Easton Police Chief Every, mind you -- and including a study of how the mass media covers these issues."

Chris, can't wait. The locals are fortunate to be able to be present, with frequency.

Beg to differ with the author of Chris' repost at 10:18.... "Its really not about Liko or McKay anymore..."
Indeed, it will always be about Liko and McKay at the very essence.

Curious to know how one raises $ via a "potluck fundraiser". Just wondering. Is it like a bake sale? Hmmm - we can do better than that.

Anonymous said...

4:59,

Looonng, but great post. Keep on posting. I love it.

debby



Ever since I watched the video again and saw that Liko never turned when McKay pepper-sprayed him, I too see Liko's hands up, fingers spread wide, Caleb said Liko was saying, "No,no, stop pushing my car". Caleb absolutely directs the stunned Liko toward the Floyd's. Liko was in shock.

Kill or be killed. McKay went way too far. The bashing of the car then the pepper-spray? What next? McKay had totally backed Liko into a corner, there was no way out for him.

If McKay had been unable to cloak himself behind his badge, his record would have been 10 times as long as Liko's. He was the criminal.

Anonymous said...

5:41 AM,

I was just trying to get people thinking of how we can raise funds. Please share your ideas about how we can do so.

I agree that we should not lose sight of 5/11 and all that lead up to the deaths of Liko and McKay.

DEFENDING LIBERTY OFTEN MEANS PROTECTING SOMEONE ELSE'S RIGHTS........even when they are no longer with us.

Anonymous said...

"so it haunts me to see Liko showing Mckay his hands..empty hands...gesturing for him to stop ramming, and to just drive a few hundred feet up the road...
if people don't know that road or those villages, there was NO WHERE for Liko to go without being popped by other officers...and he wasn't going anywhere anyway...he was almost home..."

dear 4:59 -

your post confirms and sums up what most seem to agree with on this site. it is refreshing to hear from a new contributor, and someone with direct knowledge of the sad dynamics that have happened to liko (and others).

could have pulled a number of quotes, but the one above is all about liko, cornered, at the end of the road.

24 is still a kid...and he INTELLIGENTLY AND INNOCENTLY soldiered on after '03, trying to live and work in his community, surrounded by the people who loved and supported him.

mckay drove him out of franconia and easton, and the state is leaving liko's killer to parade in front of liko's family and native villagers with pride.
now, THERE'S "ATTITUDE"!

mckay intended to break liko's spirit, but in the end, he shattered his own life. he was heartless, or he wouldn't have targeted his prey with such focus over a period of years. he knew no boundaries to his bullying, and it finally bit him back.
perhaps bullying made him feel powerful, and the uniform gave him perceived rights that trumped anything that liko could have ever negotiated, in the courtroom or driving down the road.

no one takes pleasure in another human being's demise, but mckay was too small to wield such power and control.

TL

Christopher King said...

4:59

You are Bohemian Rhapsody right?

Love it. Gotta go to work now but will read it as soon as I get home.

Also, as you can see I pressed them on Cam's interview (or lack of one) and that will all come out when the litigation starts flying I'm certain.

Also, I didn't know about Floyd Jr's "Innocent bystander" statements. It could be taken a couple of different ways, but one inference certainly isn't pretty, that's for certain.

-c

Anonymous said...

oh, and P.S. -
to the Flex Your Rights guy (forgot your initials) -
it's all fine and good until your kid is up against the system.
this was too big for Liko, your kid, or mine.

TL

Christopher King said...

ACTUAL NOTICE:

See now I can give my emails to the family attorneys and if they should have a need to say to the State

"Did you receive any public complaints about....."

The State can't say "No, we had no idea....."

They are going down.

-c

Anonymous said...

One of my brother's (several years ago) while in his junior year ended up in a class where his male teacher didn't like him. My brother had never had any problems with authority in all his years of schooling.

This teacher decided he didn't like my brother and started harassing him with subtle digs in the classroom, nailing him for any little thing he could - 2 min. late for class, etc.

My brother is pretty soft spoken and has always gotten on well with others. That teacher really started getting to him and he started to get mouthy with the guy, intentionally irritating him back because the teacher was relentless with him. It isn't uncommon for someone to make some sort of attempt to hold a shred of dignity.

It escalated to the point that the teacher grabbed my brother. My Dad went to the school for a meeting with both the teacher and the Principal. My brother was present as well. Both the Principal and teacher defended their actions and inaction by the Principal.

My Dad was furious and my brother disgusted. He dropped out of school 2 weeks later.

It's pretty sad that these things happen and I find males are more greatly targeted. We shouldn't have kids dropping out of school or having to move away to escape being abused by those in positions of power.

Anonymous said...

unfortunately, i have several stories, too long and too personal to share, that touch on the issues we've discussed - but i continue to believe in advocacy, the resiliency of youth, taking responsibility for one's choices, and learning from historical lessons.

liko's story is especially touching because of the intended spoiling of his reputation by a lone, evil, self-appointed master. liko could have been anyone's son....

i hope it won't be business as usual in liko's hometown due to chris' efforts, and the support of the people that have stepped forward here.

TL

Anonymous said...

"It's pretty sad that these things happen and I find males are more greatly targeted. We shouldn't have kids dropping out of school or having to move away to escape being abused by those in positions of power."

debby, just to comment on your story...i fully understand how this can happen; and that young males are uniquely vulnerable in our society, especially within the context of school and law enforcement.

we know we need to accept that "things are meant to be" and that we just have to work it all out...and we do, and i'm sure your brother has, also

...but the reality that liko is dead can't be justified. it became a conflagration of circumstances, but to those who believe the long-haired, hippy kid provoked this tragic ending have failed to understand the dynamics of authority gone too far.... well beyond reason. it can, and now we know, it DOES happen.

peace
TL

Christopher King said...

I'm baaaack. Wait until you see the next post in about 15 minutes.

Ties right in with what you just said.

-c

Foro Van Neinbaaster said...

if he had cannabis residue in his system...well, maybe he was in a place where people were using that herb, as they have for thousands of years, and some of it got into his system...hey, maybe he liked to smoke it...

Sure, he just absorbed THC by reverse osmosis, or maybe it was produced in his body via photosynthesis... Hey maybe he liked to smoke MJ! What a wild guess. Also, maybe he liked using his .45 on living beings... Nothing like "glock goes pop pop pop another mother-f-er drop" . What an endearing trait of personality indeed.

Anonymous said...

foro von nutzensacker, did you get your peecture back baby?

keep writing; it's good for people to see a knuckle-dragger with a computer...

you are insinuating that liko was cruel...he was not...mckay was, floyd is...

if he did like to smoke MJ, he's be amongst police officers, doctors, surgical nurses and others in society who use this plant...
they've experimented with it in the military...
they can't get people to fight with cannabis exposure...they get too mellow...

unlike your hero dubya, a cokehead drunk, kills by proxy right and left since day one of his convenient appointment into power...

so throw your senseless, truly stupid and useless little jibes with impunity foro, you are sort of funny, in a really stupid sort of way...what an endearing trait of personality indeed...

i'm betting you've had more than one DUI, DWI, depending on state...
come on foro von balless, here's your chance to make some money...
prove me wrong...
hey, maybe i'm wrong, but you strike me as quite the asswipe...
love,
anonymuss

Anonymous said...

but foro von knuckledragger!:
it IS totally like you, and your reactionary ilk, to ignore every fact and extrapolation in my post, and in all the others here posting findings of significant fact and history...totally ignore every point...like tony snow...another hero of yours i'm sure...
and
fixate on MJ, not even a traffic ticket level crime for simple possession in most states...and understandably so...
and then write an anemic post about 'glocks'...
there wasn't a glock on the scene...is that what you're carryin' john wayne??
somehow i'm not afraid...

meanwhile you have the effin NERVE To bring up smoke??? you hopeless fool...
you're hero floyd, and i've seen how you endlessly kiss his ass in your twisto sicko angry and impotent blog...WAS STONED on great numbers of anti-psychotics, anti-depressants, anti-convulsants, anti-schizophrenics, AND OTHER DRUGS...and using this as as slick excuse, assuring Caleb, and correctly it seems, that he'd never have to be responsible for murdering Liko, nor for attempted murder of Caleb...
all this is pretty clear and will be made more clear...which leaves you with nothing but a blog you'll have to take down, either that or live with the embarassment of two months of idiots posting lies spoon fed by the other heros you admire...
you got your ass handed to you in so that long post...and in many others...
you get 'facted' out or something?
all u can come up with is a rhyme about glocks and sneering about weed...
when i've put each of your heros in their correct historical cultural place as warlords and coup maestros and terrorists?
pretty anemic...
pretty thin..
pretty dumb...
pretty hopeles...
why aren't you on your own twisto blog? more fun here?
especially when your own bloggers are catching wise to the real situation and taking your imiginary hero sheen and showing you to be another paper tiger, cruel armchair warrior, with a penchant for lies, and endless useless commentary...
you are a provacateur; had you come up with something civil in the way of a refutation, you would have had the respect you crave...
now you just a little attention...it's fun, but kinda sad...but kinda fun, to watch the geek in the circus, crawling around his urine soaked cage, willing to dance or recite prose thru shaky stinky lips, for a shot of some manly hero alcohol...
i'm done with you...
someone else kick his ass next time the bored and hopeless imbecile shows up for attention...

i can't be kicking your ass twice a day every day...i mean, it's easy...but why dance with a fool? u like around with dogs, u get up with fleas...and you're a cur, but that's all...just a stray dog with a tick problem.
did you go and thank floyd personally as i suggested yet? that was your last instruction meathead...
don't come back with an anemic pot reference...until you've done the other chores as i've ordered you...

meanwhile, thanks for the idea...was a complete alcohol/drug screening done on floyd at the scene or shortly thereafter? of course this would make police 101 kind of sense...
and of course, mckay's body must have tested for drugs and alcohol too, right?
where are those tests?
we know Liko was tested...
not drunk, no alcohol...an UNOPENED bottle, as is legally suggested and prescribed, in his car...
and some cannabis residue in his system...ok, that's Liko's test...
where's floyds? where's his medication list? and other disability records...and reports...where's his blood test the night he murdered a native son???
is that yet another police screw up?
where's officer peppers?
is that yet ANOTHER police screw up and attorney general coverup?

there are huge issues of several kinds on the table, and all foro can come up with is the usual irrelevant warlord synophant obscure little non-point...not exacatly a surprise foro...
why do you hate america?
do you hate us for our freedoms?
bwwaaaaaahhahaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Foro Van Neinbaaster said...

Anon 12:25 and 12:48 --

since you spared me a few choice insults, I suppose I can dispense with civic pleasantries as well. So, here it is: only a dimwit can equate a speeding motorist, who then proceeds to evade the police, to a freedom fighter. Equally, it takes a complete moron to insinuate that a person who is disgusted with Liko unleashing a deadly force when this was not necessary (and I am such person) "hates america".

Go ahead and live in your simpleton world. I heard the thing about "hate of America and American freedom" from Bush when he was trying to justify the war in Iraq. This cheap trick was apparently aimed at dumb asses like yourself.

Christopher King said...

How stupid is Foro?

Dumb enough not to notice that the comments in this post that constitute unpublished letters to the Union Leader are not from me, but rather from someone in Franconia who has an active hand in shaping the future of police and community relations:

http://christopher-king.blogspot.com/2007/07/kingcast-presents-unpublished-letters.html

And as he's dumber than a box of bricks -- or simply disingenuous -- he'll NEVER address the three (3) or (4) items that are subject to imminent lawsuit, either.

It's All Good.

Namaste.

Anonymous said...

no chris i'm not bohemian rhapsody...(i wrote the longass thing above u responded to)...
i'm anonymuss (just started to use that a day or two ago, as debby was asking certain posters who were "anonymous'" to perhaps identify themselves a bit more clearly for the sake of discussions...
...and we've ( u & i) posted back and forth about many an ish thru these many weeks...(i also wrote a critical rant on u one day, but then re-thought my perspective and explained that as well)...
...and also i've interacted here a bit with debby and one of the 'johns'...must confess i made the freddy kreuger remark about floyd, the satire in yo face stuff to foro bon voyageee, etc...
(tho i don't like to feed the trolls usually)
i'll send u a personal email...
what's the best and most secure addie for that??
paz baby
anonymuss
a-muss baby...
anonyMESS? hee, i've made the first joke at my own expense to save borox von shmucker the trouble...
we don't need to be looting his mental capacities, he's already on hard empty with no reserve...
love and light to everyone here, especially Liko.

Christopher King said...

Yes love and light as well.

On another post, the WMUR post, I just called Foro the jackass of the year for his obvious gaffer here.

Not very Zen, but you know that's why it's called a practice. No one's perfect, especially not Foro =^.)

kingjurisdoctor@yahoo.com

Anonymous said...

anonymuss,

Okay, the Freddy Kreuger had me rolling in laughter. Wasn't it you that said it was the, "Live Free or Die" not the "Waddle Free and Kill" state? Something like that anyway.

foro is an utter bore and boar. I find him to behave like a whiney little spoiled brat, that is screaming like a little b**ch because this forum exists. He refuses to stay parked long enough to speak about actual facts in the case. In fact, he speeds off when he doesn't have the knowledge to speak of true facts based on statements given.


foro,

You are a cocky little brat and I don't think any one has ever told you no. You appear to be over-indulged as well. You ask too many annoying questions. I have been able to make this very accurate assessment about you based on only your posts here.

Where do you live foro? What angle do you park you car and is it in a garage or suspiciously parked crooked in the drive. I think you could use a serious beat down because we don't like brats or anyone challenging us. We can find some handcuffs and bands for your ankles.

You are obnoxious and insulting with nothing but opinion to bring to this forum....you know very little facts. I cannot believe you are whining that anonymuss kicked your butt when all you do is attack people here. Go play in your own sandbox, or gutter may be more appropriate.

Anonymous said...

Foro must have gotten bored of baiting the spammers.

Anonymous said...

Debbie,

facts seem to elude you. You don't know simple facts about the civil right movement. You express you displeasure with another who does not see you point of view. That is all it is, a point of view based on assumptions and speculations.

Fact: Liko Kenney killed Bruce McKay.

Fact: Bruce McKay was a uniformed police officer.

Not a fact and pure speculation: McKay harassed Kenney, LE states he was doing his job and Kenney had a complete disregard for the law. Kenney's side, McKay targeted Liko and other youths in community.

Not a fact and pure speculation: Liko Kenney had the right to ask for another officer. LE states that type of agreement is silly. Kenney's side (king) states he has proof there was such an agreement.

Not a fact and pure speculation: Floyd shot Liko and the vehicle ran over McKay. That theory is open to debate. But food for thought, if Floyd shot and killed liko and then the vehicle ran over McKay, why was the vehicle lined up to hit McKay in the first place. and how the vehicle back up and run him over a second time.

Fact: There are many inconsistencies with all the witness statement. Who's statement do you put more weight on.

So debbie you roast foro van neinbaaster for asking questions. Are you not asking questions. So what you are saying, you can ask questions but he can't.

You state he questions facts on this site, but what you think are facts are assumptions and speculation. There are few known facts.

Between anonymuss's and your rants has brought much discredit to the this site.

Anonymous said...

anonymuss

or more correctly anonypuss. You rant and rave about how smart you are and you state facts but have very little facts yourself. Marijuana is more than a motor vehicle type infraction in New Hampshire, possession can be charged as a Class A misdemeanor, which can be punished by up to 1 year in jail, that is any amount. McKay blood was tested. He had caffeine in his system. Kenney had a metabolite of either coffee or chocolate and recently comsumed marijuana in his system. If any of this comes out in a trial the Town of Franconia will get a epert witness to testify that amount of THC in Liko's blood was enough to impair his judgement. It will be up to a jury to decide whether the witness was good enough to prove it's case. Reading you post I can make the assumption you partake in the smoking of marijuana. That will make you a law breaker. Yes, most people have experimented with drugs, but they graduate high school become responsible adults and comtribute to society. So when are you going to grow up.

Your rants at first were amusing, I still thought you're a joke but now you are just a bore. You didn't kick anybody butt but your own, Foro keep asking your annoying questions.

Anonymous said...

Debbie,

Hi Foro, you are the only one that spells my name incorrectly. If you want to hide make a greater attempt.

facts seem to elude you. You don't know simple facts about the civil right movement. You express you displeasure with another who does not see you point of view. That is all it is, a point of view based on assumptions and speculations.

Fact: I expressed my displeasure over your verbal abuse toward other posters. To disagree is one thing but you are abusive.

Fact: Liko Kenney killed Bruce McKay.

Fact: Yes, Liko Kenney killed Bruce McKay.

Fact: Floyd killed Liko Kenney

Fact: Bruce McKay was a uniformed police officer.

Fact: McKay was well known from personal experience by many to be a bully rogue cop.

Not a fact and pure speculation: McKay harassed Kenney,

Fact: It is a well known fact that McKay harassed Liko. It has been stated by far more than the Kenney family and people of varying generations. Perhaps if the tightly held files on McKay were released that fact would have written proof behind it. If he was so great, why not release them.

LE states he was doing his job and Kenney had a complete disregard for the law. Kenney's side, McKay targeted Liko and other youths in community.

Not a fact and pure speculation: Liko Kenney had the right to ask for another officer. LE states that type of agreement is silly. Kenney's side (king) states he has proof there was such an agreement.

Fact: I have not made any statement regarding any such agreement. I am aware of the possibility of one.

Not a fact and pure speculation: Floyd shot Liko and the vehicle ran over McKay. That theory is open to debate. But food for thought, if Floyd shot and killed liko and then the vehicle ran over McKay, why was the vehicle lined up to hit McKay in the first place. and how the vehicle back up and run him over a second time.

Fact: I also have not given an opinion on whether Liko intentionally ran over McKay or not. I want to see Caleb's statement first.

Fact: There are many inconsistencies with all the witness statement. Who's statement do you put more weight on.

Fact: There will always be inconsistencies between the perception of each individual person's statements. I have not seen inconsistencies in the personal statements of anyone but the Floyd's - not a few but numerous inconsistencies and bizarre ones at that. I put the least weight on their statements because they are clearly full of lies. I accept the other statements.

So debbie you roast foro van neinbaaster for asking questions. Are you not asking questions. So what you are saying, you can ask questions but he can't.

So Foro, I made the comment based on your grave intolerance of Liko's "03" questions - it was done in jest. I think questions are great.

You state he questions facts on this site, but what you think are facts are assumptions and speculation. There are few known facts.

No, I state you do not want to talk about the facts that have come out. We have gotten quite alot of facts based on the many statements that have been released. Read them. I said you want to create facts from assumption. The only facts that matter to you are, Liko drove off, Liko shot McKay. A bit simple to chalk it up as such, when there is the loss of two lives and a absolute whack job walking around after murdering someone.

Between anonymuss's and your rants has brought much discredit to the this site.

Sorry foro, you certainly want to serve it up but you can't take it back. Not too sure you hold credit with any of us here. You are just angry and abusive. You have only served to discredit yourself. The rest of us respect one another. You look extremely silly to not own up to this as your own post.

Anonymous said...

Anonymuss,

I see we each got our own special posts from Foro.

I think he likes us. I feel as you though (over it)and this is my last post back to him. Madness. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results. I am done with his silliness. He wants to run in circles. I can't believe he pretends to be different people and stands up for himself...haha....that's a little kooky.

debby

Christopher King said...

10:27:

Foro's questions are "annoying" only because they're so stupid and baseless:'

Do you realize that fool couldn't even tell that these unpublished letters...

http://christopher-king.blogspot.com/2007/07/kingcast-presents-unpublished-letters.html

....to the Union Leader were not written by me but were instead written by a local person with deep roots in the community who is trying to work on police/community relations?

....it would be OBVIOUS the letters weren't written by me to anyone who actually read them if they had half a brain.

Duh.

Foro Van Neinbaaster said...

Anonymuss and Debby,

in fact I didn't write the posts 10:06 and 10:27. I also want to add that these were written by a person with a great deal of common sense and with quite decent writing skills. I understand that you felt a little embarrased and felt comeppled to write nonsense like this:

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results.

Well just look at yourself and C.King JD, ranting and raving about his SAABY-SAAB, sushi and sashimi and how he's going to mop the floor with dozens of AGs, to the point of obsession. Just look at his "brother" mantra (or maybe it's a prayer to soul of the deseased killer). Just look at the silly "Nazi" and "fascism" label thrown around whereas the matter concerns a young violent man who killed a policeman in a traffic stop.

I can't believe he pretends to be different people and stands up for himself...haha....that's a little kooky.

What's kooky is you thinking that I post under different names. Getting paranoid?

Anonymous said...

I am still seeing only a few facts about this tragic event on May 11th. I am not Foro, but I’ll defend him and my post.

**Fact: I expressed my displeasure over your verbal abuse toward other posters. To disagree is one thing but you are abusive.**

Anybody that post here that does not fall into line with the rhetoric gets abused. Foro did not open the door but, quickly threw insults back.

**Fact: McKay was well known from personal experience by many to be a bully rogue cop.**

Not a Fact: This is people interpretation of there feelings for the way McKay did his job. He may or may not have been over the top. If an officer tells you to get back into the car, don’t stand there and argue with the officer get back into the car and then have a dialogue.

**Fact: It is a well known fact that McKay harassed Liko. It has been stated by far more than the Kenney family and people of varying generations. Perhaps if the tightly held files on McKay were released that fact would have written proof behind it. If he was so great, why not release them.**

Not a Fact: Once again this is based on interpretation. I you feel the local law enforcement officer is harassing you, register you car, don’t have illegal substances in you blood system, automobile. We don’t know who was doing 54 MPH, it could have been the witness that stated she had just passed McKay going 55 in a 40, and it could have been Liko.

**Fact: There will always be inconsistencies between the perception of each individual person's statements. I have not seen inconsistencies in the personal statements of anyone but the Floyd's - not a few but numerous inconsistencies and bizarre ones at that. I put the least weight on their statements because they are clearly full of lies. I accept the other statements.**

This one is based in facts. It does vary on personal interpretation. How do you know Floyd is willfully lying? He probably has believes everything he said. It does paint him as extremely weird and a possible danger in the future, but he moved up here to be left alone leave him alone and he will leave you alone. The AG applied the law to Floyd’s actions and irregardless of how dangerous he might be the law still applies to crazy people.

**So Foro, I made the comment based on your grave intolerance of Liko's "03" questions - it was done in jest. I think questions are great.**

Liko’s questions did not have any merit. Whether the place is suspicious or not is based on interpretation. Based on the circumstance, Super Bowl Sunday, snowing and dark I would say suspicious. McKay had a reason to identify Liko.

**No, I state you do not want to talk about the facts that have come out. We have gotten quite alot of facts based on the many statements that have been released. Read them. I said you want to create facts from assumption. The only facts that matter to you are, Liko drove off, Liko shot McKay. A bit simple to chalk it up as such, when there is the loss of two lives and a absolute whack job walking around after murdering someone.**

There are still so few facts out there, you are not discussing facts you are discussing possible alternative theories based on speculation and assumptions. You cannot pick and choose which word or sentence you will use in a statement and discard the rest. You have to pick apart the whole statement and identify certain themes in the statement and apply those themes against the other statements themes. Liko was disobeying and then Liko shot McKay, it is simple. If Liko did not have an unregistered vehicle, if Liko had asked for another officer and just sat there, if Liko had not ran, if Liko had not shot McKay, if Liko had not ran over McKay, both people would not be dead. That whack job still deserves the same application of the law as a normal person. The application of the law was not murder, it was a justifiable homicide.

A few more facts, Charles Duffy, thinks it is okay for Hitler to kill million of Jews and other minorities in Europe but not OK to kill a few Americans. The Charles Duffy and the other people that rant and rave about fascism you all have it pretty good here, try living in other countries. He is just one of the many KOOKS!!

You rant and rave about getting a civilian review board, how is that going to prevent this from happening. This is a good idea in theory and like many good ideas in theory are not good ideas in practice. You rant and rave about the government and then want to create more government. The government is already too big. If you have a rogue cops as many of you like to refer to McKay. What is to stop them from targeting the review board? As long as his actions are based in laws are they going say he is being mean to them. What is to stop the review board from targeting a police officer for doing his/her job? A review board just creates more problems, and reinvents a system that has been in place since 1789.

Anonymous said...

A citizen review board is NOT government. It is "We the People".

Anonymous said...

Debbie set up a review board then. How is it going to be legit without the backing of the government. A group of citizens watching the local courts and listening to complaints. Once they hear enough complaints about an officer they take their findings to the select board. What is to compel the select board to doing anything with theinformation. I'm not tracking on your plan for a citizen review board.

Anonymous said...

You know, I am so not interested in this ridiculous arguing. I have done much research about how citizen review boards work and are set up in communities across our nation. It has been implemented and it works. It provides a balance of power for all.

I am not explaining it to you because you just want to argue. If you care to know then please do your own research.

Anonymous said...

I'm being argumentative. because I do not see how one would work, if you have done the research here is an open forum to express your ideas and theories. Make a believer out of me.

Anonymous said...

the government is we the people

Foro Van Neinbaaster said...

Debby to Anon:

I am not explaining it to you because you just want to argue

Or maybe because you really can't explain.

Anonymous said...

11:25 am - anonymous
11:26 am - anonymous
11:27 am - foro


Hhhhhhhmmmmmmm........

nothing to say....

peace, light and love,

debby

Anonymous said...

9:11 says:
""Liko was disobeying and then Liko shot McKay, it is simple. ""

that is bullshit, it is that simple. read a thousand pages of reports, interview the citizens who have been serially abused, look at the litany of direct lies in the AG report and the coverup by the fpd...and you will see how much bullshit you are spreading...
you want to debate over the nature of reality...
'well sure that looks like a tree, but to someone else it might look like elephant, so he goes free and that's the law'...

'the ag overtly lied and corrupted and destroyed evidence' in a cover up...

you are not familiar with the facts, you want to parse debates on the relative nature of reality...
bottom line is AG endorsed vigilante justice dependent on floyd's pereptions and you are supporting that...and that is bullshit.

any resident on meds who feels endangered by floyd's proven history of felonious activity can go ahead and blast him by your account...
you are an apologist and an enemy of the truth, with no concern over the safety of our citizens and that is bullshit...

you are helping AG and fpd endanger the community and it won't be tolerated...so open season according to yoou...because believe me people feel endangered...and believe me, a lot of people are on medication...

you address nothing of the inconsistincies in the AG report, which contracdicts Floyd's own testimony and that is bullshit...

you are concerned not at all about criminal destructino of evidence and evidence tampering and that is bullshit...

you know a lot of bullshit...you seem to be professionally familiar with bullshit from the inside out...so i'm regarding your opinion as same...

hopefully, after the rigorous and vigorous testimony today; after non action by the 'authorities' you will come back here and fess up, but you will not, and that is bullshit.

a lot of people are going to 'disobey' a system that allows craven brutal maggots to terrorize and attack our people...and that's the truth...

you want to start a war and that is bullshit...

you are ignoring testimony by many and haven't studied the facts in evidence, nor are you familiar with the litany of abuse complaints filed, and ignored and that is bullshit...
did you major in bullshit in college? did you go to college?
are you le? or clorox von goebbels? one of which is increasingly irrelevant except as oppressors who bleed as easily as everyone else...IF there are two of you, clorox is already famous for being nothing but bullshit...
so thanx for the bullshit.
we're knee deep in it from the ag, the fpd, and the selectboard, who at this moment are getting their cowardly asses kicked...
and that's devine...