12 July 2007

Franconia Police Chief Mark Montminy is out of Rule on Fox Hill RSA 91-A request.

As I prepare for what appears to be one large lawsuit against the State for failing to adhere to basic principles of its own Right-to-Know law, be advised that Chief Montminy is Out of Rule because on 3 July I responded to Chief Montminy and told him that he could NOT charge me overtime for pulling police activity from the area and that he had 5 days to respond to me with an answer.

He has failed to do so. If the area was so damn suspicious he would have no problem compiling a short list, and then I would accept supplementals as they were uncovered.

As such, Franconia PD is Out of Rule (read the comments section for my 3 July email to him) with respect to my information request that could help the State prove McKay's contention that Fox Hill Park is indeed a "Suspicious Place" as Bully McKay told Liko Kenney in 2003 before Liko correctly told that hater "You cannot keep me here without Good Cause."

Then McKay and officers Dick and Cox took him down to the ground for a beat down behind his car and out of range of the camera. Liko CLEARLY does not go in that direction by himself. We will be sure to show all of that in slow motion in "Franconia 5/11."

In general, the media should be covering these things I send them because Mark Sisti is going to echo the same issues in the litigation, just as Michael "Stix" Addison's attorneys are filing Motions with all of the same issues I have identified here as well, and then some. That guy will never get to Death Row because of the flawed and undefined appellate procedure, and for whatever reason in that alley he apparently killed a Good Cop.

64 comments:

Christopher King said...

Dear Attorney Strelzin:

I neglected to mention this in yesterday's email about your tardiness on the cost of failed prosecution for the Deboisbriand/King cases, but the Good Chief is Out of Rule, which doesn't make any sense because if he's got information about this area that is allegedly so suspicious he should want to share it with the Free World immediately so we can justify what Bruce McKay said to Liko in 2003 before he and Officers Dick and Cox took him down behind his mother's Subaru.

Read the comments section:

http://christopher-king.blogspot.com/2007/07/franconia-police-chief-mark-montminy-is.html

.....and you will see on 3 July I told him what the
Law is (i.e. 5 days to issue a response:

If a public body is unable to make a record
immediately available for inspection, it has five
business days to either: (a) make the record
available; (b) deny the request in writing, giving the reasons; (c) give written acknowledgment of the request and a statement of the time needed to grant or deny the request.


......but you guys don't seem to care too much about the Law when you can't use it to support your position.

Should I just add this to the hopper for my Rule 91-A lawsuit then?

Very Truly Yours,

Christopher King, J.D.
KingCast.net
Justiceforkids.net


**********

--- Christopher King kingjurisdoctor@yahoo.com
wrote:

Dear Attorney Strelzin:

Let me remind you so it's clear for the record:

Mr. Strelzin:

I am in receipt of Attorney Ayotte's responses to the old matters, and I shall await your tardy response on the costs of prosecuting the failed cases against former Jaffrey Officer Deboisbriand and me as well as the new materials requested on your homicide investigation protocol.

Remember the 4 July posting and email I sent you?

http://christopher-king.blogspot.com/2007/07/kingcast-and-neil-young-say-keep-on.html

Very truly yours,

Christopher King, J.D.

Christopher King said...

Hey Foro:

Come on in here today and tell me why if the law is so clear:

If a public body is unable to make a record
immediately available for inspection, it has five
business days to either: (a) make the record
available; (b) deny the request in writing, giving the reasons; (c) give written acknowledgment of the request and a statement of the time needed to grant or deny the request.


.....That the State can't seem to follow it?

Anonymous said...

What does out of rule mean? Is there some specific legal meaning or is it like out of bounds?

Foro Van Neinbaaster said...

Well, what can I say, the place looks damn suspicious to me. It was also dark during that incident in '03, it was snowing as well, the car was parked in pretty much in the woods. Officer McKay, in most professional manner, calmly asked the driver to present the license and registration. Liko escalated this situation to the point of open confrontation.

But conversation caught on tape supports court documents reporting that Kenney grabbed McKay's groin during the struggle and McKay reacted by punching Kenney in the face.

Wow. Kenny the Groin-Grabber. Who's molested who?

Court documents indicate Kenney tried to escape from officers three times that night, once forcing his way out of the cruiser's back seat and trying to hop away while his legs were bound.

Seriously, if Liko behaved like a hysterical infantile person who is amazingly almost 20 years of age in this video.

Kenney later pleaded guilty to assaulting McKay and resisting arrest. He could have been sentenced to prison, but got 15 days in jail, time served, when McKay asked for leniency, according to St. Hilaire.

Bruce McKay was courteous enough to ask for leniency and doubtless spared that loser Liko some very unpleasant moments in prison. We all know how Liko repaid this debt -- with a few shots fired at close range and the running over the helpless dying officer.

Foro Van Neinbaaster said...

Another thing... In the video, Liko threatens to sue and he threatens to lie in court! He promises to testifiy that he was forcibly removed from the car by the police, while it's clear that he got out of the vehicle himself, and in fact disobeyed the order to get back! What a lying (and potentially perjurous) SOB.

Anonymous said...

started to write a nasty response to foro....and then thought, that's not nice....but i have to say that his (?) commenets do annoy me...

north country resident

Anonymous said...

It also abuts private property, the trails lead right to it. Not that it was the case, but a good place to pick up a partner who was burgling those residences.

Also looks like the type of place I would meet my weed connection at, back in the day.

Foro Van Neinbaaster said...

Anon@7:19 --

I am sorry my comments are causing you discomfort. As you can hopefully see, these are based on facts from the video and reports from local media based on court records. I apologize for not being able to alter objective reality to make it more palatable to you.

Peace,
Foro

Anonymous said...

kenney grabbed mckays groin when mckay thrust it into kenneys face while kenney was being restrained and beat down by the responding officers.
that's a sick bendo twisto copperoonie there...and a cruel one...
liko was in a public place, not a suspicious place...sober as a judge and waiting for his friends to meet him...right at the trail head...not a high crime area...yes kenney acted up and out...full of outrage at being hassled by this cop, who's reputation was well established at this point already...
foro you never want to look at mckays record or the reasons why the community was frightened and suspicious of him...
u never answer too much of anything with regard to historical fact...we know this...there's your 'most professional behaviour'...
anyway, you didn't answer Chris' question on point, so i won't go over the same points over and over with a useless troll, only to have them continually ignored and answered with the spin that was destroyed weeks ago for those without a hate agenda and those who pay attention...
so who cares what you believe really...you have already disgraced yourself time and time again on your own wingnut hate blog and with constant appearances here...a paid troll repeating, ann coulter like, the 'message discipline' your vicious ilk is famous for...
regardless of any facts on the table...or contentions in the air...
mckay wasn't courteous, he was a combative coward macing children and 100 lb. women and then lying to lawyers and judges in attempt to keep his series of videos (all coming out to the light of day foro von spinnmeister...)from scrutiny by a judge...

... and LIko wasn't a loser, except at the hands of targetted and sustained police abuse...

mckay asked for leniency is a modern myth...Liko was not breaking one law at the time of being teased, taunted and intentionally tormented by mckay...

so no matter how many times you or Ayotte's office repeat the well published bullshit, it dosen't make it any more true, or mckay any less dead...
and liko, as well you know by now, you lying provacateur, did not run over anybody...a multi drug addicted moron on a plethora of wacky psyche and heavy pain drugs, did his killing with impunity...
he killed Liko with a sucker bait shot to to the head thru the windshield where he could not have possibly seen Liko's gun, (which floyd has testified fell out of liko's car thru the window)...
I don't like feeding the trolls and know you're a paid autamaton, trying to get some 'hero' points here amongst your diminishing hate crowd...so there is no reasoning with you...
you are just an antagonist and are quoted here and referred to here, only as an automaton vicious geek representive of the kind of closed minded reactionary slow minded person that Ayotte is selling her spin to...knowing there'd be reactionary idealogues aplenty to suck up the lies...and give them life of their own, even when those lies were destroyed...

so you are irrelevant and predictable...and foolish...

you NEVER answer on point, because you don't have a point, you have automaton spin and self righeous name calling arrogance...

you are a provacateur trying to discredit these efforts here by teasing and taunting with endless lies...in that regard i can understand you putting the brutal mckay on a pedastal...despite warnings from the local level to the state level about his criminality with the badge we allowed him to wear on his steroidal uglyass, soon to be shot up, body...\

so you're all about lies and spin, and not answering ANYTHING, EVER on point...a defintional troll; tolerated only because you are suck a spin wash repeat spin again moron that you represent an interesting demographic...the arrogant uninformed...the ann coulter, without the experience, but likely with the black coctail dress...
as you always need to be mentioning 'hero' all over your blog and posts...
you are transparent...
you are foolish...you are trying to get a rise out of people so that someone says something imprudent, a mckay power technique btw, and look where it got him...
...so hide undercover, deliver some stink bombs and then disappear having engaged on NO point...
you are not even a worthy adversary...
i think each time u post here, about fifty of us should raid your idiot blog...but that would give you 'hits' and legitimacy you don't deserve...and as you can see, members of the general populace are disagreeing with you on your own nasty blog section, where people can comment about this issues...
so, you're losing everywhere, but have to come back regularly with the same nonsense...
it's your bread and butter...
truth is ours...we're not for sale...you are not so much aggravating as you are, as i've stated previously, a vigilante justice proponent with a vicious personal agenda...

you don't have a bio on your blog...you're not out in the open like Chris...
you're a coward with a pseudonymn, an irrelevant blog with no substantial readership...and if not an officer bringing your shameful stupidty to the backs of other innocent officers in service...
...then you are merely a syncophant fishing for dollars or hero approval, or perhaps even hero status...
we've heard the spin already...you haven't heard the responses, nor cared to address any of them....which makes you a disingenuous coward at best...
love and light Liko...
Liko lives...
Liko lives...
mckay/floyd tag team got tagged out...
your kind promotes criminality, cruelty, obfuscation, lies and letting a junkie murderer getr a free pass among decent people in Easton and Franconia...
but you know all this...
and we know all this...
so spin away little monkey...
i'll bring a banana with me so you can get a treat after you get your chain yanked...bad monkey...
that geek in a cage analogy from yesterday comes to mind...
your techniques are tired, even in the hands of the 'professional' news whores you adore...
and in your silly shaking incompentent troll hands, they are just cause for laughter...taunt away baby...
have at it...
i'm thru feeding trolls...
but watch your mouth anyway...cause i will be back to kick your dumb ass occasionally; you must like it...it must appeal to your own sexual disturbances...because you keep coming back with nothing in the way of argument, only to get your silly ass kicked again and again...do you need the attention that badly?
cause mckay did...
and floyd did...
mckay got total attention and focus after awhile of continually demanding it...
i tell you, i've never seen anybody empty a clip that fast in my life...mckay must've been ready to increase the attack up another level, but Liko, saved the community from his brutality once and for all...a shame it came to this...but if some numbnuts keeps pushing, shit happens...tragic shit, as we've lost a native son with great spirit and heart...who did the clean up job the chief, and the selectboard and the attorney's general office refused to do...
he was afraid for his life...he was violently rammed and was lucid and careful to communicate that all he wanted was another officer at the scene, as mckay's legendary and long list of extra-legal and extra-curricular violence toward women and children was ignored by monti me and the select board...
we don't mind going over these facts again and again so that new visitors can see how easily the official spin is refuted...and how repeatedly those like you, who represent that spin in depserate attempts to legitimize it, even in the face of mounds of solid contradictory evidence...

you are on display here...that is why you're tolerated or responded to at all...so whoever is paying you, in dollars or satisfying your little girl lost ego...is not getting their money's worth...

it is ridiculous to assume you will change your techniqes or ever answer or engage on point...you will just spit out the spin and run away from the truth...like a fascist coward...like a yellow streaked coward, ala mckay, your hero. like floyd your murdering hero...
it's good for people to see that the level of intelligence in Ayotte's supporters is heil hitler syncophant hate cowards on a terror campaign...
it's not so much people like reagan and bush and goodling and cheney and rove and mckay and lying non viet nam vet, drugged up collaborator in murder floyd...are bad characters doing horrid things, as much as it's complicity and encouragement from dead brained members of the public that allow these myths and message discipline rush limbaugh talking points to prevail in the culture...
i'd give you another clue, or another fact. or another refutation, but frankly, you don't deserve one...
if you cared about the truth and the inconsistincies and outright lies in the AG report, you would have seen at least one of them by now...you are only here to taunt...find a reactionary victim and taunt...like mckay...like coulter...like goebbels...like lee atwater and his pal rove...
you and your ilk are responsible for so many innocent service deaths...even this day...
the worst kind of coward is a lying provacetuer coward...
please, someone else kick his useless ass...or just ignore him...
maybe we can come up with a generic response to all of borox von smallweenie's posts...something short and generic...like 'no troll zone' or perhaps just pasting one of the many ass kickings he's already received here...
he sticks out like a sore thumb here; not because he offers cogent criticism, that is always welcomes...
but because he's a tanting provacateur troll...on a business mission...
u don't even rate a tremor on my 'irked' meter at this point...
you will continue...
your blog is history, your credibility is zero, your mission is failed and your attempts to stir up violence and vigilante justice are not working...you are a coward...not important enough, or powerful enough, to warrant a disucssion you are incapable of following...
in short, you are a good example of a very bad man...
and a cowardly one...moronic spin dry wingnut troll...
wife beaters and criminals are your heros...Liko knew your kind very well...unfortunately...
you will get, when your time comes, as it comes to all of us in these mortal bodies, will not get your wreck of a beaten family to the funeral, never mind several hundreds celebrating your spirit even in the rain, as folks did for Liko, who generated love and sweetness among his friends and the community at large he served faithfully at his Agway job...mckay wouldn't let it go, for years on end...toruring, baiting the kid...like your anemic attempts at powerless hero worship here...it got him killed..., no one will come to your funeral when that time comes for you to pass, and may it be in the far future, may you enjoy good health, even tho you cause others misery with some of the foulest hate speech i've ever seen, which is saying something in today's environment...you left a slime trail on your interactive comment section of our blog...,
so, at the occasion of your sad passing, hopefully far into the future, you will be alonely corpse...like no one comes to your blog, or your home to visit you...no one will honor you in death...no one honors you in life...that's why you're a troll, sitting alone in your underwear, beating off to cop pictures and cashing your rnc checks...
...no one really respects you or your series of drunk rages behind the wheel...you, like ayotte, like mckay, like floyd, have exposed yourself...not even a need for anyone here to knock you around...tho i do it just to keep the place from your stench...

on with the work, you are a distraction...and you have had your silly cowardly ass KICKED on EVERY point in EVERY hate post you've stuck here...you have lost EVERY round...but show up at the imaginary bell, shadow boxing and pretending you've got the hard stare and the guns to back it up...you got nothing...you offer nothing but a good example of an idealogue caught in the light...and twisting in the wind...spitting out worn out old talking points refuted weeks ago...and you do it on purpose with an agenda to disempower this effort, by taunting people intentionally, continually, hoping to get your death threat or something else you can publicize to discredit this honest and brilliant effort; this magnetic glorius infectious fount of truth and activism for the many from our area who do know the truth...
got your number boring von goebbels sieg heil...yavol...
type away hero...type away...

perhaps i'll prepare a compendium of your stupid psots, or the many cogent answers to your provacative drool...that way, we won't have to do this every day...
buh bye boro von rippednutsack...fire away son...if this is the best you've got, and boy you've tried some stunningly ugly vicious stuff with your posts here...but if that's all you got...you must be a masochist...or perhaps your missing hero mckay's private parts...maybe you're the missing evidentiary link as to his sexual problems with other men, not to mention his violence problems with women...
u continue to do great harm to the honest officers that are truly out there trying to make a difference...coming from a place of professionalism and a high regard of peace and the law...and truly protecting his employers and the commnity...
you are a danger to the community...as all lying political provateurs are...

perhaps you're just here to distract some of the attention off of Ayotte...is that why you're getting paid...either in money or attaboys from those who's attention you drool for so pathetically...
you are transparent geek boy...totally see thru transparent...much more than you know...every place you go...

Anonymous said...

7:22,

Very much speculation on your part.

Anonymous said...

foro,

As I pointed out before (which was of course ignored by the all-knowing, all-seeing King) any place can be suspicious under the right circumstances, and I agree wholeheartedly with your assessment.

Clearly though, you don't understand the rules here.

First of all, you do not disagree with Chris King. When he says something was so, then it's etched in stone fact! His magical crystal ball allows him and him alone to see what actually transpired during both incidents.

Secondly, do not confuse the issue with irrelevant things like what the Court Documents say. When they don't support Chris King's version of events (as they often don't) he says they're bullshit, and (see above) when he says it was so, then it must be! Chris King is never wrong, just ask him!

The only acceptable version of things is that McKay was an out of control, rogue cop who terrorized Kenney on any number of occasions. Kenney was a poor misunderstood free thinker who lived in fear of the abusive McKay. He didn't really "murder" McKay, unlike Floyd, who King has already tried and convicted of Kenney's "murder".

Please don't allow outside facts to get in the way. The only facts you need to know will be provided (over and over and over again) for you.

Anonymous said...

foro has a blog?????where is it????does he allow posters? Poin the way.

Foro Van Neinbaaster said...

To a compulsive anon @7:59:

you are a provacateur trying to discredit these efforts here by teasing and taunting with endless lies

Oh well, referring to the content of the video that is plain for everyone to see can't possibly be a lie. Including the oberservation that Liko threatened to frame the officer in court by giving a flase testimony. Please see the video again -- you'll be able to hear this from Liko himself loud and clear.

Anonymous said...

As I pointed out before (which was of course ignored by the all-knowing, all-seeing King) any place can be suspicious under the right circumstances, and I agree wholeheartedly with your assessment.

THAT LEAVES ALOT OF LEEWAY FOR POLICE ABUSE AND LAWS NEED TO BE MADE TO PROTECT THE CITIZENS FROM COPS WLKING AROUND WITH A POLICE STATE MENTALITY

Anonymous said...

"Including the oberservation that Liko threatened to frame the officer in court by giving a flase testimony."


"Are those cops coming for me?"

"Oooh yeeaah"

"Are the State Police?"

"I duuh-noo"

Anonymous said...

"...McKay was an out of control, rogue cop who terrorized Kenney on any number of occasions. Kenney was a poor misunderstood free thinker who lived in fear of the abusive McKay."

TRUTH, indeed!!

Anonymous said...

First of all, you do not disagree with Chris King. When he says something was so, then it's etched in stone fact! His magical crystal ball allows him and him alone to see what actually transpired during both incidents.



First of all, you do not disagree with KELLY AYOTTE. When SHE says something was so, then it's etched in stone fact! HER magical crystal ball allows HER and HER alone to see what actually transpired during both incidents.

Oh, and don't forgot FORO also knows what actually transpired during both incidents. Please do not insult him.

Anonymous said...

Foro Van Neinbaaster is looking to be the new KING....any votes????....sadly, didn't think so.

Anonymous said...

Foro Van Neinbaaster,

you are a provacateur trying to discredit these efforts here by teasing and taunting with endless lies

Anonymous said...

Could someone tell the writer of the long passage above that, while his writings are no doubt therapeutic and entertaining for the author, the inability to express points concisely lead to rapid scrolling on the part of the reader.

Acute THC toxicity is suggested as the issue. Please, PUT THE BONG DOWN...

Can't help but notice that, as the accusations become more personal on the blog, the discourse seems to deteriorate. Liko and his allies become nearly above reproach, everyone else is demonized. I wish Chris could have kept this blog, and the really necessary work he hopes to achieve, above the 9th grade level.

The personal attacks are are only going to result in less widespread support for his work, making it more difficult and less effective. Reminds of Michael Moore's work which, while really necessary and often very good, unnecessarily over-reaches at times (giving opponents easy ammunition to use against him, permitting many to dismiss his points completely). See Living Color's "Cult of Personality"...

Anonymous said...

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Anonymous said...

I just want to know what "out of rule" means.

As CK would say, Just the fact!

Anonymous said...

Foro Van Neinbaaster should be able to give you that info...

Anonymous said...

"Out of rule" just means that it doesn't comply with the rules. That's all.

Anonymous said...

Why? He is the all knowing wizard, spin master and knows the truth of all things, even those yet unseen. He is like a God to none other.

Long live Foro in his infinite wisdumb.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

"Out of rule" just means that it doesn't comply with the rules. That's all.



How? Huh? How do cops feel when people don't comply with the rules?

Anonymous said...

How can you translate what Chris meant? Attorney King is the only one who know's what he was thinking. So your explanation, though plausible, is somewhat out of order given an accurate response can only necessarily be given by Chris King, JD.

Anonymous said...

interesting 8:47 dosen't critique any of the truly vicious and provactive personal attacks against Liko and his family and every poster here...he dumps on me for responding in kind...and as usual, while making a slur about 9th grader mentality from my resposne to cumlative truly vicious posts from borx von geekster...ignoring the crude attacks that are being responded to...NOT mentioning one point that's been carefully and pointedly made in various post histories around here, neither confirming nor refuting...just damning with faint praise about the blog...(didn't mckay mace kids in school btw) 9th graders?

there are dozens of posters, why pick mine...and then say you scroll thru it fast...well, please don't bother to read it at all...read what you like...and come on in all uppity about the nature of the dialogue missing every point of substance...and whining about "THC toxicity"??? not floyds dozens of psych and pain drugs and his insistence to Caleb that that will make him immune from prosecution...what about PCP toxicity...(floyd's conviction for SELLING truly dangerous drugs, not weeds and flowers...)
there's lots of salient points amongst my sometimes humor (got to lighten up a little in the face of boro's crude viciousness against Liko's parents and regurgitating the proven lies... or sometimes answering a vicious idealogue in mocking language meant to make a point...
so thanks for the literary criticism...read someone else...and did you bother notice you haven't made a point, nor responded to a point...u just don't like my expression...
okaaayyyy....i'm on amidst dozens and dozens here...
we all are working together to some extent and have the same dedication to detective work that no damn detective bothered to do...
so, i don't like your tone much either...attacks ignoring all the salient major facts and discovery to come after my personal means of expression...
did u ever hang out with ninth graders? they are extremely bright and extremely sensitive and have much to offer in a spiritual context...so don't bring your problems with children and your problems with my personal writing style...i do the bst i can...to this blog...bring a goddam point...or shut the hell up...is that ninth grade enough for you?

tacitly condone Ayottes murderous lies and vigilantism and you want people to behave and express themselves according to your sensibilites???

well, thanks for being concerned about the nature of the blog and how it will be perceived in the culture...what else were you saying...thc toxicity...???
uh, that's not even in the trumped up report...
so adult language with infantile logic don't cut it...you think yourself elegant stylist...i think you puerile...

peeps see thru it...care not a bit what you think of me or my means of expression...or discovery...or the work and time i dedicate out of love for the whites these past forty years or so...

anonymuss

Anonymous said...

Harry Reams said...

How can you translate what Chris meant? Attorney King is the only one who know's what he was thinking. So your explanation, though plausible, is somewhat out of order given an accurate response can only necessarily be given by Chris King, JD.



You are mistaken, only the Foro knows for sure.

Anonymous said...

Chris:

Remember back in the day, Route 22 in Stamford? You liked the burger there. What are the better entres at Lexx? Looks like a nice eatery.

Ciao (chow)!

Anonymous said...

Let’s get back to the point of this recent entry in Chris’s blog and move beyond the distractions that are diluting a lot of good work being done here.

I’ll talk about Franconia here because I’m a life-long resident. I’m sure the same points I’m about to make can be moved right up the chain of command, but since the Franconia PD and Fox Hill Park are the topic, I’ll stick local.

Chris was trying to get some facts that support Corporal McKay’s assertion that Fox Hill Park is a suspicious place. Simply put, show us the records that indicate the number and frequency of break-ins, burglaries, and drug arrests in the area of Fox hill and neighboring homes. This should not be a hard document to produce in my opinion.
What the lack of response shows is that those in charge are not either capable of following the rule of law or simply choose to ignore it. It’s symptomatic of a much larger problem in Franconia, that being distrust in those we entrusted to serve and protect. A distrust that was rooted long before 5/11 or January 2003 for that matter.

So I know what the naysayers will say, why didn’t the community speak up and demand changes. Vote, remove those that won’t do your bidding, and find selectmen that will. It’s not that simple in reality. First, the target group was weak and could easily be exploited and if they spoke up, their credibility easily undermined. This is the MO of an abuser, target the weak and those who can’t effectively speak up. Second, when people did speak, no one took them seriously. I’m guilty of this. It was easy for me to dismiss reports of police mis-deeds as a product of testosterone and immaturity. My own son spoke of this many times, I didn’t give it the attention it needed. Third, a culture of denial exists. Formerly well-meaning people started to protect “their own”. Those that did file complaints were ignored. When you complained about being ignored, those that you complained to ignored you. Soon you give up, you can’t fight city hall, so to speak. Issues never became known, voices became meek, and a culture of abuse and cover-up thrived. Sad really when I think about it in retrospect. Yes I do feel guilt and shame. In a way, the blood of 5/11 washes over me too, not from what I did, but from what I didn’t do.

Fast forward to today. I know of a meeting that occurred within the last week where residents met directly with Chief Montminy and spoke of the mistrust in the community and the need to be proactive and make information public and accessible. It was directly communicated that at the very least the PD has a public image problem that needs to be addressed. Here was an opportunity to begin that process of image rebuilding. Sadly no, status quo, business as usual.

I’ll relate another disturbing incident that occurred recently. A woman was invited to a select board meeting for the express purpose of being able to air a police complaint without having to face the police department directly with her information. More of the fear I speak about, she was afraid to go to the police because of retribution. Keep in mind this woman has lived in Franconia several years and she was DIRECTLY affected by the events of 5/11. Surely this woman deserved to be heard and treated with respect simply for that reason alone. That was not the case however. A selectman interrupted her before she was able to relay her story, and read the official complaint “procedure” form verbatim to her. Once he was done, there was to be no further discussion. No explanation was given to this woman as to why she was treated that way, other than she had to follow the official complaint procedure if she wanted her complaint to be on record. This woman left the building in tears, beaten and vowing to move rather than to be subjected to this type of treatment. You want to know what? I think that was exactly the point the select board wanted to make. She was unwanted, her complaint was unimportant, and its business as usual, the events of 5/11 be damned.

So for anybody outside Franconia, who wishes to sit in judgment, there you have it. The sad legacy of too many years of abuse of power and lack of people standing up for what is right.

We finally feel we have a voice, a chance to make things right. Two men died on 5/11, lets find some good of it. Let's take back control of our destiny and make Franconia a better place. What is more American than that, and why do you fear it so?

What I say to you is “Can’t stop us now.”

Anonymous said...

Love the use of the "The" before Foro. The Foro, you've made it, you are now a character in the cast!

Anonymous said...

Point well made and taken. I would add that there is a place for the devil's advocate here, has been for years. Questioning serves to strengthen the argument. Chris can recall his days of serve and volley in Socratic methods tournaments of law school.

And I agree with your sentiment, also expressed in the soundtrack to the 1984 B movie, "Breakin'", by Ollie & Jay. Word.

Foro Van Neinbaaster said...

No explanation was given to this woman as to why she was treated that way, other than she had to follow the official complaint procedure if she wanted her complaint to be on record.

I feel for this lady. However, I don't see how one can actually file a complaint to the police without filing a complaint to the police. Was she asking somebody to file on her behalf? The how would they present knowledge of the facts that took place according to that lady?

Anonymous said...

Foro, the Selectboard oversees ALL department heads and departments, including the Police Department and the chief. People in local towns go the their Selectboards with complaints about the Highway Department, or the Rec Department. Why not the Police Department?

Anonymous said...

sorry, should have read "go TO their selectboards..."

Anonymous said...

Good question Foro.

Many in the town feel the old procedure which was read verbatim had failed for the reasons I related above. The "hope" was that because she was invited by the recently elected select person (1st term) that the town was beginning to desire change and that they select board would take the complaint directly to the Chief (they are his boss) and insist the matter be looked into with urgency. It was a simple complaint, the details were straight forward, it could have been relayed accurately and clearly.

I can tell you this new select person who did the invite went directly to this woman's house and appologized for the behaviour of the elder member. You could also tell in the meeting she too was shocked and embarrassed.

It was all about hope for a new era. I guess it won't be that easy. What we need are the layers of secrecy to be pealed back so we can see the truth here. If that truth matches the state's version so be it. But the town cannot heal until ALL facts are known. Even then changes need to be made, the status quo is poisoned. We need people who recognize that and want to make changes for the good of all. That is all that we are trying to accomplish here. You may not like some of the players or some of the methods or some of the thoughts. That is your right. But I support anything that can be a catalyst for real change. We have 2 men dead and a community's soul ripped open. The truth will heal though the process to get to it may be unconfortable.

You have nothing to say about anything else I wrote?

Foro Van Neinbaaster said...

Anon@10:58 --

Sorry it wasn't clear if she wanted to complain about the police behavior, or just file a complaint with the police concerning someone else. I thought it was the latter. I think that the Select Board has an authority over the police (as they should) and if the Select Persons behave in an unresponsive manner, they should be voted out in the next election.

Anonymous said...

Lifer said....

We finally feel we have a voice, a chance to make things right. Two men died on 5/11, lets find some good of it. Let's take back control
of our destiny and make Franconia a better place. What is more American than that, and why do you fear it so?

What I say to you is “Can’t stop us
now.”


anonymuss said...

peeps see thru it...care not a bit what you think of me or my means of expression...or discovery...or the work and time i dedicate out of love for the whites these past forty years or so...


This is the reality: We have a serious problem in the Franconia area. It needs to be dealt with. We have a State trying to sweep it under the rug. They have put the community had even greater risk by doing so.

There are people that are dedicated on a daily basis working toward making positive change come about for the citizens of Franconia. It is sorely needed.

We have the chance to make things right. We don't need to really prove anything to anyone. We need to speak the truth about what we do know. We need to look at better ways for LE and the community to work with one another, not against one another. If other communities have successfully implemented citizen review boards then so can Franconia.

This is not a "game". Two men are dead, Caleb suffered tremendous trauma, Floyd is seriously unstable and got a pat on the back for shooting someone, in his own words, "real good".

As Lifer said, many are bothered by not doing anything sooner so such a tragedy could have been prevented.
What is bothersome to me is people that want to come on and turn this into a game. It is not a game. It is not a writing or history contest. This is not sport to us.

If you don't like what we have to say then ignore us.

Anonymuss is obviously close to Liko and his family - have some compassion.


"In the end, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends."

Martin Luther King

Foro Van Neinbaaster said...

Lifer --
in fact I do have another thing to say about your post. I disagree that the definition of a "suspicious area" should be based on statistical analysis of crime patterns in that vicinity. Let's assume that there is a jewelry shop with parking in the back. It's never been robbed. Now, cops passing by in early hours of the morning, see two cars parked out there. It would make common sense to go and check what's going in, don't you think? It's just an unusual pattern that might mean something. Similarly, if it's a dark hollow, and it's snowing pretty heavily, and there is that car under a tree -- that's pretty unusual.

I can give you another example: if I see that three nights in a row a person sits in his car in front of my property (the road is public), I would still call the cops to see what the hack is going on. Mind you, there is no unusual criminal activity in my heighborhood, same as in most of the county. It's just plain suspicious that somebody would do something like that.

Anonymous said...

Foro said:

"...and if the Select Persons behave in an unresponsive manner, they should be voted out in the next election."

I's not that simple, reread my post stating with "Naysayers". I agree it is a start, but the cancer is pervasive. You cannot pluck the weed and leave the root, it will come back.

If the truth comes out, real change will take place. What happened on 5/11 is just the beginning of the awakening.

Liko ignited a fire that burns brighter daily. I know you disdain him, but history is full of heros who intial act was treated with contempt and ridicule.

I wish both men were alive, but some times real change can occur from the depths of horror.

Anonymous said...

Foro you totally miss the POINT of my post. The documentation request being ignored is totally within character of a much bigger issue. Here's it is again:

What the lack of response shows is that those in charge are not either capable of following the rule of law or simply choose to ignore it. It’s symptomatic of a much larger problem in Franconia, that being distrust in those we entrusted to serve and protect. A distrust that was rooted long before 5/11 or January 2003 for that matter.

Foro Van Neinbaaster said...

Lifer, you are right about my utter disdain for Liko. That aside, the police want to do their work according to the rules that they have. I can guarantee you that if some kind of "public oversight committee" or any other such body saw the '03 video back then, Liko would have garnered little simpathy from them. I seriously don't see why and how exception should have been made for an individual who refuses to present his driver license to the police. Think about this: what if this was a more serious criminal there, than this Liko person? The protocol is uniform for everybody, and a lot of us saw killings of police officers on TV, as captured on dash cameras, during routine traffic stops. Ther rules are there for a reason, and so are laws. The person being investigated should remain in the vehicle when ordered -- that's a simple rule most adults in this country a well aware off. Oh, and we are not supposed to piss in public. I wonder if Liko knew that as well.

Foro Van Neinbaaster said...

The documentation request being ignored is totally within character of a much bigger issue.

Lifer I would agree with that.

Anonymous said...

anonymuss at 10:01 -

you don't need anyone's permission to keep right on bloggin' here...as short or as lengthy as you wish. no one has to read it; their choice.

i've been wondering WHY people bother to come here and debate about liko's sadly short life, and his probable intent in '03 and 5/11 - IF THEIR OPINIONS ARE ALREADY SET IN STONE.

this is obviously a dedicated blog to civil rights, under the excellent leadership of chris king JD, and motivated by liko's and caleb's tragic experiences with LE.

i try to check myself when i begin to blabber, and sometimes hit the send button too soon (!) - but there is a powerful dedication to righting what we believe to be very grave injustices.

so, keep on keepin' on, anonymuss :)

TL

Anonymous said...

II. Only the following matters shall be considered or acted upon in nonpublic session:
(a) The dismissal, promotion or compensation of any public employee or the disciplining of such employee, or the investigation of any charges against him, unless the employee affected (1) has a right to a meeting and (2) requests that the meeting be open, in which case the request shall be granted.

III. Minutes of proceedings in nonpublic session shall be kept and the record of all actions shall be promptly made available for public inspection, except as provided in this section. Minutes and decisions reached in nonpublic session shall be publicly disclosed within 72 hours of the meeting, unless, by recorded vote of 2/3 of the members present, it is determined that divulgence of the information likely would affect adversely the reputation of any person other than a member of the body or agency itself, or render the proposed action ineffective, or pertain to terrorism, more specifically, to matters relating to the preparation for and the carrying out of all emergency functions, developed by local or state safety officials that are directly intended to thwart a deliberate act that is intended to result in widespread or severe damage to property or widespread injury or loss of life. This shall include training to carry out such functions. In the event of such circumstances, information may be withheld until, in the opinion of a majority of members, the aforesaid circumstances no longer apply.

Anonymous said...

Foro said:

"Lifer I would agree with that."

Foro, thank you for granting me that much anyway.

And though I can't speak for Mister King, I believe that to be to point of his initial blog post that precipitated all this and many others that detail discrepencies and ommissions from the AG on down.

Anonymous said...

TL,

You are great at supporting others and sensing the need - thanks. You are always steady and as I said, the patience of Job, my friend.

anonymuss - I like your posts. Long or short, I read the whole thing. You are sharing your soul with us and don't censor yourself. It is refreshing....Liko light to you.

Lifer, Our man with words of wisdom and a clear head. You have become quite the fearless citizen and a great example for others to stand as well.

Can't stop us now.

truth, light and love,
debby

Anonymous said...

Lifer,

I would say that if something is out of the ordinary, such as cars behind a building not normally there or someone parking outside your home for days in a row would be considered suspicious.

In "03" Liko was actually parked at a pull over area (picnic or resting spot) that was intended for that exact purpose. you live near that area, if you had been out walking that eve. would you have been suspicious of Liko's car being parked there?

Christopher King said...

I'm baaaaaack....

But just for lunch and I shall assiduously read all of these comments and attempt to respond.

But remember, my focus is on the movie production to get the word out, in addition to what happens when that gavel comes down in the courtroom.

As such, the first part of my lunch break was spent requesting:

a) an inventory report AND
b) the notes of the officers who viewed the Floyd vehicle.


Take a look as Popeye Doyle and I return to the scene of the (evidentiary) crime:

http://christopher-king.blogspot.com/2007/07/kingcast-and-popeye-doyle-return-to.html

Namaste.

Foro Van Neinbaaster said...

Debby,

In "03" Liko was actually parked at a pull over area (picnic or resting spot) that was intended for that exact purpose.

Picnics don't normally happen during snowfall while in darkness. I thought that was obvious. In addition, all public parks in my area ore officiall closed after dark, but since I live in NY I can't comment on what's the arrangement in NH.

Let's face it, Debbie, it was suspicious.

Christopher King said...

First of all, Out of Rule = you are about to be sued and now we have established a factual basis that you have deviated from your own set rules, which creates an inference if not a rebuttable presumption of:

a. negligence at best.
b. ill will, deceit or fraud at worst.

***********

In general about The Foro, he's so red mist in his eyes against Liko and me that he couldn't even see that the letters written to Union Leader Tom Fahey in this post:

http://christopher-king.blogspot.com/2007/07/kingcast-presents-unpublished-letters.html

Were not written by me but by someone in the Loop politically in Franconia.

So his credibility is diminished heartily right there.

********

Next up, he has totally failed to address any of the lies that the state has set forth after I have gone through them page by page and proved:

1. The AG's office was on actual notice of complaints against McKay that involved an improper threat yet did nothing (p. 570 of pdf materials)

2. Liko did not run over McKay until he was shot, (Floyd Jr. and Caleb)

3. Floyd did not reach through any window but instead shot through it and would have killed Caleb if he had not ducked,

4. Caleb and Liko had called and motioned to Floyd to help witness in the first place, and Caleb was about to explain why he believed he made eye contact with Floyd when the questioning officer cut him off

5. The law regarding police personnel files and court files that are indeed relevant to this case.

And much, much more.

Still I haven't heard "BOO!" from him of ANY substance on that, so really he's just wasting a lot of time and energies, silver lining being that it gives me further insight on how narrow-minded people actually "think."

*******

What's up, Foro:

You want to start calling Fred Murray names now, too? Because he and I had a good little talk last night about police malfeasance:

http://christopher-king.blogspot.com/2007/07/kingcast-says-nh-aag-jeffery-strelzin.html

Go ahead, call him some names too, for demanding a real investigation:

In late 2004, a man came forward to Fred with a stained, rusty jackknife. The stains were a reddish-brown color, Fred said. The man told Fred he thought his brother may have been connected to Maura's disappearance. At the time of Maura's accident the brother was living less than a mile away, the man related. He described his brother as having a record of violence and said that his brother's live-in girlfriend began acting strange around the time of Maura's disappearance.

In March of 2005, Fred, always relentless, made another push for FBI intervention and the release of police records on his daughter's investigation. He met with Attorney General Kelly Ayotte, Senior Asst. Atty. Gen. Jeff Strelzin, State Police Sgt. Robert Bruno, who is now retired, and State Police Lt. John Scarinza. In this meeting Fred again passed along the information regarding the knife. When Fred still didn't hear back from police after that meeting, he later said, "I knew I was doomed."


********

Go on, man, engage your vitriol, your diatribe, your invective, whatever you've got, let Fred HAVE IT BROTHA!!!!

Anonymous said...

lifer - now i understand why you are "lifer" - duh!

your intent on this blog is pure,and truth-seeking; not to mention debby's, anonymuss', and others. change is overdue, communty pain is evident and pervasive, and you want to facilitate something very positive from these horrible losses.

foro is intent on holding his ground, keeping a hard line, enforcing the status quo, and being very resistant to change. his grip is tenacious and unyielding.

he believes in enforcing complicit behavior, more than serving and protecting. enforcing, in his opinion, is essential, and to the death, if necessary.

my wonderful shepherd mix is a self-appointed guardian, and delights in serving and protecting, but we don't let him bully.

mckay was too full of himself, and his bullying was/is sanctioned.

the most recent negative citizen experiences you cite in franconia point to a need for a citizen review board, as mentioned numerous times. it will be too late and too psychologically expensive if another loss results from people failing to recognize that a closed circle of power is toxic.

foro, it's being done your way now....and it's not working. ALL of the people need representation ALL of the time. the good 'ole boys fraternities of fire and policemen (sometimes even THEY don't like each other!) serves some of the population, most of the time...and, more selectively, their relatives and friends. that's how it works, right?

mckay, at the very least, was unprofessional because he let his anger consume him, and he acted upon his anger. liko was his target on 5/11.

TL

Anonymous said...

thank god foro lives in NY!

Christopher King said...

The Foro at 12:24

You sound scary. I remember how cops would pull me over for chillin' out near my prep school because it has 250 acres and it's just a nice place to be.

"You look suspicious," say the condescending officers.

"Why"

"Well you're up here at night."

"Yes."

"Well why are you out here."

"Because I CAN be, officer. That and my parents could have bought a small island in the Carribean with all the money we've spent over there."

"Oh, well,.... .mumble mumble mumble... you're free to go after I finish checking your license and registration."

*******

Furthermore Foro, you HAVE NOT EVEN BEEN there, so you can't tell me squat next to the area homeowners I've met who disagree with you.

I've chilled out in the park at night before, especially if you have a moonroof and if you knew that park you would see that if someone was doing something suspicious there is a dog-leg to it where you would park to avoid beeing seen by a passing car.

Liko was just off the main road and ENTIRELY VISIBLE.

And notice how McKay tells the responding officers DICK and COX to cut their sirens.

That's so the neighbors don't come out and say "WTF are you guys doing to Liko???"

*******

Until you to out there and meet the people Foro, your opinions to me mean only enough for me to use as target practice.

Perhaps one day you will move toward a path of enlightenment.

Namaste.

Christopher King said...

Here's one more thing to consider:

Liko was getting his life together at 24 and was feeling in Good Spirits.

McKay was twice his age and still an abuser.

Foro Van Neinbaaster said...

Chris,

he couldn't even see that the letters written to Union Leader Tom Fahey in this post ../snip/So his credibility is diminished heartily right there.

I already publicly apologized to you in a differnt thread for calling you a liar. I'm sorry for that. I have also stated that you have enough integrity to freely admit and in fact be a proud advocate of cop-killers. I hope my crdibility inched up a little after that admission.

Next up, he has totally failed to address any of the lies that the state has set forth

Chris, let's get it straight -- I'm not the state of New Hampshire, despite what you might think. I'm not the one to address what some of the officials might have told you. And by the way, since you are a hobbyist/habitual litigator, I tend to have my doubts whether all of the stuff you sue for has merit.

Foro Van Neinbaaster said...

Until you to out there and meet the people Foro, your opinions to me mean only enough for me to use as target practice.

Until you stop your habitual narcissistic trips, which are both funny and annoying, you can't be taken seriously. When you intend to launch a frivolous legal study into how suspicios the dark and snowy park was on the scale of 1 to 10, you are looking quite ridiculous.

Perhaps one day you will move toward a path of enlightenment.

Perhaps, but thankfully that would be in the opposite direction from you, SAAB-driving sushi-eating condescending egomaniac.

Christopher King said...

I dunno Foro, when I threaten to sue people, they usually listen and sometimes they write editorials:

http://christopher-king.blogspot.com/2007/02/kingcast-presents-nashua-telegraph.html

Now then, that having been said, please stop calling me an egomaniac and address the legal points presented herein:

http://christopher-king.blogspot.com/2007/07/kingcast-warns-ransmeier-spellmans-dan.html

I'll be waiting.

Christopher King said...

Whatever, Foro, you probably see no problem with those cops continually harassing me in Chester Township, Ohio either so it's kind of a lost cause wrappin' with you.

Sigh.

Anonymous said...

suspicious minds create "suspicious" places. bored and dangerous.

cutting the sirens and creating a little "activity" in a public area. now, THERE is something suspicious!

TL

Christopher King said...

Back to work, but some common ground between Foro and me has sprouted on this entry and moved to the next:

http://christopher-king.blogspot.com/2007/07/kingcast-and-popeye-doyle-return-to.html

Foro Van Neinbaaster said...
I'm glad that the discussion seems to be focusing on matters like whether the police saw Floyd's truck and whether due process was followed. That's important to follow up... As opposed to incessant romanticizing cop-killer Liko Kenney and pertraying him as some kind of spiritual hero. Which he was not.

Go after them, Chris! If they withhold information unlawfully, sue pants off them! That's a worthy cause.

12:19 PM


Horn Dog said...
I firmly support you suing the pants off of Ayotte. Sweet, sweet thong . . .

12:50 PM


Christopher King said...
Foro,

I am not romanticizing Liko any more than the neighbor who said "We loved that boy," and who refused to allow any McKay Memorial while stating that she and others in the community

a) did not trust McKay
b) were afraid of him

This is not said about Good cops, man.

On Liko, I feel his spirit and I know what it is like to be unfairly attacked by the government so that is what I celebrate.

Never said he was perfect, but ALL of his friends the first thing out of their mouths is "gosh, what a spirit... he had such a Good Spirit."

Folks don't say that about a "dirt bag" as that one cop called Liko:

http://christopher-king.blogspot.com/2007/07/kingcast-watches-dirt-bag-and-ngger.html

And you do know of course that the whole reason I never got to meet Liko or his parents and everyone else in the First Place 2 years ago when I had the time and money to go to Tamarack Tennis was because of the bogus charges leveled at me by Kelly Ayotte and crew; who now act as if they have no idea what that cost the taxpayers.

Again, that letter from a local resident to Tom Fahey is large:

Tom,

I thought it was appropriate to contact you re coverage of the recent double shooting here in Franconia even though I know you are more in the political arena. I hope you know me enough to realize I am not acting as an advocate of someone who killed as police officer but as someone who sees a serious lapse in the truth. Per you can pas my comments along to the senior editor but it may be a story for you as well. . The coverage of the events of the shooting of Officer McKay continues to be incomplete and often false....

In this community Mckay was well known to be a vindictive individual with an apparent penchant for questionable actions against adolescent girls , teenage boys and adult women.....[snip continue in overleaf]

*********

I think it's more ridiculous how folks are trying to make a hero out of McKay, who intentionally pushed people's buttons for sport and got what he asked for. Read what one fellow said over at NH Insider after NH Insider went after me:

Today at 08:36 PM

"Stop trying to make Bruce McKay look like a hero.
He was nothing more than a bully who should never have been a police officer. McKay's actions directly led to his own death, and that of another person. There was no reason for him to go looking for a fight.

This whole thing was his fault. Yes, McKay once made a traffic stop that led to the arrest of many people. That was his job.
Nothing more. Stop with the hero talk. Jeremy Charron and Michael Briggs are examples of great heroes. Bruce McKay is not in their league."

George Vreeland Hill

I couldn't agree more.

Peace, brother.

Peace.

Foro Van Neinbaaster said...

TL@12:32 --

foro is intent on holding his ground, keeping a hard line, enforcing the status quo, and being very resistant to change. his grip is tenacious and unyielding.

Heck, there are parts of status quo that I don't mind keeping, such as: drivers need to register their cars. They should not be allowed to drive while intoxicated. If a police officer asks for you driver license when you are operating a vehicle, he's not hellbent on destroying your freedom, but rather is executing a trivial and harmless aspect of LE.

he believes in enforcing complicit behavior

Seriously TL, do you believe in abolishing the Departments of Motor Vehicles across the country? Will it make you and your kids safer? I think not. How is it related to the issue at hand? Because certain Liko insisted that he was above following simple regulations regarding car registration and driver license. TL, do you believe that drunken driving should be a norm and an attribute of great American freedom? Well if you don't, does it mean that you are yourself "enforcing complicit behavior"? Think about it.

Anonymous said...

foro at 6:51
from multiple posts, then, i understand you to say that without exception, you believe that if a citizen does not immediately produce his/her driver's license at a traffic stop, but verbally and repeatedly questions the officer as to why he/she has been stopped and detained in a polite manner; and, further, if the citizen does not feel an adequate response has been rendered, then a beating to the citizen is appropriate to achieve compliance and to silence the inquiries. that's the black and white thinking i take away from your position here.

next

i most certainly do believe in lawfulness, and i abhor drunk driving.
i do not reasonably expect a traffic stop related to an expired registration should escalate to ramming, macing, and deaths, as specific to 5/11, given the driver and passenger were making every effort to communicate with the officer, and ESPECIALLY because the driver's identity and intent were well known to the officer from previous contact.

of course we should not abandon our governing bodies and agencies, but the law should be applied with reason, intelligence, and common sense.

i'm sorry if my post was confusing, as it might well have been.

TL