27 July 2007

Democratic Presidential candidate Bill Richardson and Mike Gannon support Civilian Review boards for Franconia shooting tragedy.

I ran into both of these men today and it was quite interesting.
Candidate Richardson impressed me with his stance on open government, citizen lobbies, diplomacy and negotiation as opposed to hatred, education and.... blogging. At Nashua Public Library just an hour or so ago he told a local youth and the entire packed room (I didn't do a head count, shame on me maybe 120?) that he supports the new age of communication with potentially adverse (read Muslim) countries.
"I will be a President that respects the Constitution of the United States."

That's why I gave him a copy of the Franconia Collective Press Release #1 and noted that I had proof of Constitutional violations in Franconia as signed by Judge Cyr.

He also publicly said he endorses what the Collective and KingCast are doing by encouraging more open police dialogue "so that more people don't end up being shot," as I told him.

Meanwhile, Franconia Chief Montminy and his lawyer Dan Mullen can't even find the stinking use-of-force report that predicated the whole Liko Kenney story when McKay first hassled him in 2003 at Fox Hill Park -- the scene of the aforementioned Constitutional violations. It's pathetic and the blood of Liko Kenney and Bruce McKay roils over the souls of the Franconia Selectmen, Chief Montminy and Republican NH AG Kelly Ayotte, who ignored a 2004 complaint against Bruce McKay the media can see at p. 570 of the pdf files. I'll print it out one day. Anyway, read this.

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U.S. Armed Forces Veteran Michael Gannon, whom I have interviewed extensively about the bogus police indictment he faced for taping them at his own home, impressed me with an update:

He saw me walking to the library and honked, then informed me that he refused the first settlement offer and that shortly thereafter, police showed up at his house, ostensibly because they were looking for one of his sons who had allegedly jumped an illegal fence. He said his son was at work and then he told them "Cameras are on, guys," and said they hopped into their cruisers and were gone, lickity-split.

More on this later after I stop by the crib to see him for an in depth feature.

44 comments:

Anonymous said...

So you say. I will wait for their own public statements proclaiming that they "support Civilian Review boards for Franconia shooting tragedy."

For now, I must believe that you have simply construed some of their statements supporting constitutional rights as an explicit endorsement for your specific proposal. I doubt that they support a CRB for 5/11.

Anonymous said...

Kingus exagerratus continousitis is difficult to treat.

Sometimes years of combined therapy utilizing anti-demagogueus and Undelusionious of Grandeourosis as primary Agents proves less than completely effective.

In cases where standard treatments fail, or where partial symptoms persist after treatment, the sufferer will manifest various somatic and psychological indicators, including a propensity to believe that the sufferer's paranoid ramblings in some way affect physical reality.

The sufferer will oftentimes have a compulsion to endlessly repeat certain mantras, like uncommon words they have learned prior to infection.

In the present case, the word "mandamus" is continously thrown about, like a talisman.

Man-dam it! It is impressive. To, as the Italians call them, gavones.

Anonymous said...

I sniff a huckster.

Anonymous said...

King, I can barely stand the suspense. I can understand why you would be "impressed", and need to inform the people with this "update:"

He saw me walking to the library and honked, then informed me that he refused the first settlement offer and that shortly thereafter, police showed up at his house, ostensibly because they were looking for one of his sons who had allegedly jumped an illegal fence. He said his son was at work and then he told them "Cameras are on, guys," and said they hopped into their cruisers and were gone, lickity-split.

More on this later after I stop by the crib to see him for an in depth feature.


Now, I have a few questions to ask about this dramatic event that you saw fit to post.

First: does this honking and fence jumping have anything to do with the Liko Kenney case?

If so, what is the connection?

Second: You mention an "illegal fence." Does this mean that the fence is illegally located? Not on the fence owners property? Or, is there something about the fence, perhaps its construction, that renders it "illegal?" Please explain, fully. Until such time, We cannot assume that the fence was in any way in violation of any local (or other valid governmental) law or ordinance.

Third, the sequence of events, as you yourself describe them, either intentionally, or through gross negligence, leaves out important details. You say he "saw you walking to the library," honked, and then informed you that he "refused the first settlement offer."

Now, being a former AAG, you must see the obvious questions that this statement begs. At what point were the questions asked, while he was in the car, immediately after the honking? Or, did he park or stop the vehicle to talk to you? What side of the roadway were you on, and were his windows opened?

When you leave out details like this, the veracity of your statement is called into question, and you will lose supporters that want you to obtain Justice in the Liko Kenney case.

And, you leave readers hanging in agonizing suspense, awaiting the next chapter of the King Chronicles.

Namaste.

Anonymous said...

all the leaves are brown
and the sky is grey
I've been for a walk
on a winter's day

I'd be safe and warm
if I was in L.A
California Dreamin'
on such a winter's day

stopped into a church
I passed along the way
well, I got down on my knees
and I pretend to pray

you know the preacher likes the cold
he knows I'm gonna stay
California Dreamin'
on such a winter's day

all the leaves are brown
and the sky is grey
I've been for a walk
on a winter's day

if I didn't tell her
I could leave today
California Dreamin'
on such a winter's day

Anonymous said...

Take heed. I have researched California thoroughly, and I think the following sentiments, from a New Englander, should be considered before you are lured west by an old Beach Boy's song:

Whenever I'm suffering through a miserable New England winter, I ask myself why I don't just move to California. I finally figured it out one day in downtown Santa Cruz. They've posted signs throughout the city center listing the things that you can't do (photo above):

no skateboarding
no skate devices
no alcohol
no bikes on sidewalks
no dogs

No dogs? That's right. You can't walk a dog down the street in downtown Santa Cruz. Downtown Santa Cruz isn't especially crowded either.

Why do Californians need so many rules? Because they all moved there to enjoy the land, the climate, to take a job. They did not move there in order to become part of a community. In fact, they might very well hate all the people around them but still choose to live in California. This does not happen in northern Michigan or central Massachusetts. If you don't like the community, you move. There is no other reason to be there.

If Californians did not have myriads of carefully set forth rules, they would simply kill each other.

My friends in California mostly have contempt for their fellow citizens. I ask them "today you're going to run into a person on the street that you've never met before. I'm not going to tell you anything about this person. The person could be of any age, sex, or economic class. Do you think you will enjoy meeting this person?" The response is always "I think the person will have the wrong political beliefs" or "the person will probably be a smoker" or "I bet the person won't be a vegetarian, so I can't talk to him" or "I doubt that this person will be educated or intelligent."

Anonymous said...

Do not take heed.

On a Sunday afternoon thirteen years ago, I walked into what was then the Mysterious Flowershop on Beverly Boulevard in Los Angeles, up the block from Jerry’s Infamous Deli and just east of Robertson. A week earlier at a legal conference, the mother of one of my law students had mentioned that she’d heard I was writing a mystery. Her close friend was president of the Los Angeles chapter of Sisters in Crime, and did I want to attend a meeting at the Mysterious Bookshop?

I did. I’d never heard of Sisters in Crime, but the name was intriguing, and I relished the opportunity to talk mysteries with fellow writers and fans of the genre. I didn’t know any of the people crowded into the long, narrow, book-lined room, so I took a seat at the back, under a large cardboard cutout in the shape of a gun. I listened to a LAPD detective describe step–by–step procedure at a crime scene, then to a bookseller who revealed the how–to of setting up a book signing on your own, and finally to a Sisters in Crime board member, who gave registration information for Frenchie, the albino poodle. What was Frenchie? I wondered.

Like Alice falling through the looking glass, I’d discovered the California wonderland of mystery. There are hundreds of us in this “wonderland” — published writers and those who have aspirations to become published and famous.

Anonymous said...

Sorry to see how crazy it's gotten in here. I saw how someone seemed to imply that the same person in here is starting off positive and going negative (or something like that). Since the insinuation may or may not have been directed at me, let me simply suggest that perhaps a decent percentage of people are drawn to interesting and important nature of the blog, and then pull back when they perceive the negative aspects of it.

I have noticed a troubling trend going through the last few comment sections; someone can come in here and be in total agreement that:

1) There was a weak and serious 'whitewash' investigation done by the state in this case
2) Floyd should never have been cleared as fast as he was, and should probably be going to court himself
3) There is rampant abuse of power all over this case (hiding of evidence and public documents, etc.)
4) Chris is talented, bright, and does very important work
5) There are plenty of poor or bad cops that have no business carrying a badge

BUT, NO ONE WHO SUPPORTS ALL THE STATEMENTS ABOVE has the right to:

1) Think that Liko was wrong and NOT blameless in killing McKay
2) Believe Chris is jeopardizing his own good work by some really bad habits (including demonizing anyone that doesn't get onboard, and the overdone self-promotion)

It's funny how restrictive the "true believers" are being, all in their support of a 1st amendment activist. Irony?

DEBI:

Sorry I didn't answer your considerate post a few days back, I've just gotten to the point where if people can't see the problem with how Dean was treated, than I'm not wasting my breath. And, since you asked, I did go out of my way to discover how he felt about it, and a brief response I received indicated that he intended the email to be private, and he didn't seem thrilled. The fact that he didn't come back here and complain simply means (my guess) that he didn't want to call more attention to an "outed" email that would make talking to law enforcement much more challenging, and impede his ability to make a living. If someone wants to understand that they will, if they want to be blind to it, they will.

I really do want all this work to be sucessful DEBI. But there is a very high level of INTOLERANCE here for anyone that dares not think the same way as the "collective", hence my nasty "Kool-Aid" post a few days ago. Please don't defensively rationalize in response to the first part of this post; just let it simmer for a while and watch the blog over time. There's a point there that's important for you regulars (who are willing to think critically) to see. Sorry to hear about what you had to go through up there. Good luck.

Anonymous said...

That's right M.A. Seriously. The good that I thought was here is overpowered by the other stuff. Good night.

Anonymous said...

m.a. are you still here?
u haven't changed your tune, nor contributed a thing except your one non-issue endless whine about your alledged friend's alleged uncomfortablity with that email...

...still busy sitting on your fantasy high horse bringing sacred truth to all those beneath you who can't quite see thru the fog of your diamond like clarity...
...
over and over and over again...talk about kool aid...you're the manufacturer...

so many little creeps jealous of Chris King because he actually DOES something proactive publically...
you are pathetic man...

and so if the hopeless rag your alleged friend writes for...

kill the messenger...kill the messenger...we get it...
everybody gets it...

i know when you post before i read it because the computer starts to smell funny...

totally independent of anything Chris King does, says, has done, or has said, will do, plans to do, achieves or dosen't achieve...and without checking with him for his opinion on anything, i, as someone actually with huge history in these towns, think you're a phony, low brow knuckle-dragging troll...you are the reason they invented anti-depressants...see a doctor, get a girlfriend, something bubba, something...

keep your sanctimonious crap to yourself for awhile. how refreshing; stand aside, as you usually do, throw stones from the sidelines, and bitch bitch bitch...call names if someone dosen't agree with your holier than thou non-stop nonsense, than blame others for your own shortcomings, as usual...zzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ...
oh what were you saying?
nothing as usual?
yep.
even when people respond kindly to you with both ears open...
yep.
litterbug. if dean is so lame he has you as a spokesman, i really don't care what he writes, or dosen't write. he's late to the game as it is.
you don't have the power to wreck this effort. he dosen't have the power to wreck this effort.
you've had months to contribute something aside from your own love affair with your own self-appointed position as arbiter of conduct.
see how many are impressed?
no one.

but show up (again) in a fresh thread with important information, with the same old tired one-non-issue whining, and then get yer wittle feelings hurt when you are identified as a troll...lash out, and accuse others of the same...
distract, and pretend you're not a troll.
fine. whatever. it's an m.a. world...la dee daaa...thank you for letting us live in it.
the peasants are so grateful...and you are so graceless, even when approached with care and kindness...
how do you say screw off bozo and not sound crudely dismissive...
i dunno...
so i won't say it.
hey, if you ever have anything but tricky lip service to pay to the issues at hand while you distract and condemn thread after thread, at this point, who cares?
i hope shalloup writes with more skills than he picks his friends...
his printed public reported email to Chris just glowed, and u can't take it back, and u can't crap on it...
buh bye...
gosh m.a. IS THIS THE EMAIL THAT'S AGGRAVATIMG YOU so much you're gonna need to go to floyd's place for a massage and some psyche meds to calm you down?
this one right here?
this particular email directly to Chris from a journalist who's name YOU KEEP BRINGING UP AGAIN AND AGAIN but that i won't mention here...
this email right here?
i really loved it...
but it breaks your heart for some reason, eh?

this email????!!!!

THIS ONE?
DIRECTLY TO CHRIS KING?


"Been enjoying your posts on the Franconia thing...i saw a lot of issues the first time I heard about it. I was particularly taken aback by some of the quotes from various law enforcement personnel, canonizing this apparently rogue cop as well as some looney tune with a loaded gun who stopped by and got a chance to shoot someone...and I quickly got tired of hearing MacKay being called a "hero" ... To me, cops are "heroes" when they're killed trying to preserve law and order or saving a citizen's or another officer's life, or getting trapped in a burning building in an effort to save lives...MacKay doesn't sound much like a hero to me, that's for sure.

Not that I condone violence and killing people, but it appears that just as many people could call that Kenney kid a "hero" for stopping a wildman cop from taking a few more lives before he got canned or retired...

Anyway, I ramble a bit--ha Keep up the good 1st Amendment work!" ____________________________

UNFRIGGINGQUOTE BUBBA...
direct from the source...

dean what was his name?
that was the only thing he's written of any substance in his career...

which makes him one up on you...

nice to hear from you; i was really wondering why it took two days for you to come back with the same endless accusatory drivel again and again; didn't you start your own blog yet?
i mean you are leading people into the m.a. way of truth discernment and critical thinking....zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ....

oh excuse me, i'm sorry, i thought you said something...

Anonymous said...

6:07...ah, polysyllabic moron; i figgered out who you are...haawww...oh 'humorist' jester on the dead body of someone elses child; in your own town...
horniest dog # infinity in a series...
a self promoter extraordinaire who should realize the bigger picture on the SUCCESSFUL campaign here...u feel left out, but you left yourself out...
...like 'good germans' and 'religious poles' did, rather than face the bonfire that eventually came for them to...

we even save your sorry ass; make it possible for you to sit there with your funk and wagnalls and try to look clever...over the tortured body of your neighbor's child...it's easier to think yourself clever and humorous i suppose...more power to you...so to speak...
pat thet ick.

silver wordsmithery
cannot hide
the lack of substance and denial you try
to spread with your ego's indelicate fires

a kid from your town lies dead underground
you got the balls to do nothing but juggle your nouns
and predicate theories upon castles of cheese.
you could have mattered
but instead turn to sleaze...
the big picture eludes you, as does the small one
the kind who jumps into a fight
when it's all over AND-done
to wrest some little credit
tho inspired by some
who stand on the front lines
and do the real fighting
as they study and research instead of back biting
with silver displays an d

to defeat the disease that you never address
while u banter your vocab
and avoid the dark violence
a cheap shot for you, oh mighty word juggler
impressed with yourself
tho u do nothing but slumber
as outside your doorway
the towns burned away
u join the truth muggers
afraid to show up and say
something of substance, a point on the facts
instead of the elitist drive
that seeps thru your slats...

burma shave buddy...
too bad you weren't there when your town needed you...
you have a gift...
but you're not as swift
as the evil around you that you refuse to confront, except in a sideways wayward manner dissing someone who consistently faciliates truth and disclosure, while you sleep, and admire yourself and throw a word or two into the fray...
you're smart enough to know a movement this unpopular from the start needs a dynamic and continually energized facilitator...

u know i've been posting here off and on since the incident; and almost everytime someone comes in with sillyass pseudo-clever put downs of king, instead of working out the story and working through the issues proactively, it's a clear mirror into their own dis-satisfaction with their attention that THEY themselves can not manage to muster with any relevance in their own frightened minds...regardless of how smooth or psuedo-intellectual the verbiage, you essentially just masturbated in public like a disturbed primate in a public cage...
so much so you reveal yourself to everybody but yourself...
kinda sad dude...

Anonymous said...

amazing how someone will critique a state larger than most of europe, almost a continent on to itself with huge mountain ranges, deserts, beautiful ocean vistas, enormous farming belt, industry of all kinds...
you could fit a thousand new hampshires in there but someone thinks they have a lock on the entire intellectual acuity of countless mega millions from all walks of life involved in science, the arts, manufacturing, agriculture, technology, natural health and farming, etc..etc...
just a wave of the mighty ignorant hand, and someone else quotes a beach boys song, all to ridicule someone who actually DOES something...who actually CREATES projects that actually MAKE a difference to people's hearts and the culture...
fascinating stuff here...

the sad and sick pyschopathology of crab pots, where false friends are secretly terrified of someone elses potential accomplishment...and want to hook someone else back into their misery they are afraid to look at in themselves...inspired people, accomplished people, people on mission and in motion inspire so much hatred and fantasy in disturbed imprisoned minds...amazing stuff..but quite common actually; showing the 'high primates' are not as intelligent nor cultivated nor self-aware as they deeply yearn to be...

free yourself and do something; go somewhere...inside of yourself or on a trip...do SOMETHING/ANYTHING except delight in pathetically trying to hold someone down, put someone down, hell put an entire continent of people you don't even have a sense of down, because you're down and unhappy with your own damn ineffectual, uninspired, compromised shell of a self.
sad.
Chris, if you read this.
Thanks for the continuing work...shmooze 'em all, make your point and keep bringing attention to this important issue...the enemies of truth, personal success and honest disclosure are everywhere...
some even pretend to be your friends...they want to suck off the energy but they don't want to do the work; or challenge themselves...or display anything other than hopelessness and ignorance, and try to finesse it into some kinda 'justifiable' tude with a clever slam...
these people eventually kill themselves; but only long after the spirit of love, understanding, committment and self-respect, never mind respect fo rothers'. has long left their souls...

Anonymous said...

mace the slimer.....oh, mckay, where art thou? floyd, we need a hand over here....put him out of his misery. his envy has poisoned his soul. too bad. poor thing.

Anonymous said...

10:08,

Great post......

peace

Anonymous said...

Chris,

I read about this guy w/the video cam and recall that about 6 cops showed up at his house asking for his son. He asked why it would take 6 officers to speak to his son (not a big guy) and the cops started mouthing off to the father (damn him - comply and don't ask questions). So, he let them know they were on camera as soon as it happened.

I believe one of those cops came back at some ungodly hour to ask for the son again. The man told him to pay attention to the video.

He later took it to the station as the 6 cops, things they said and then coming back so late at night for something minor showed poor behavior on their part. Instead of addressing the cops, they pressed charges on him for taping them.

Oh yes, and the reason he had installed the video cam is because he was robbed several times. The cops would just write up a report but never investigate. The last time it happened he told them he was really upset that nothing was being done about it by the cops. Take a wild gander at the response from those cops that say we whine, but when we need help who do we call?

"YOU NEED TO MOVE OUT OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD-IT ISN'T A GOOD ONE AND YOU SEEM TO HAVE MORE MONEY THAN OTHERS HERE DO"

That's an, "Oooh yeeaaah", if I ever heard one. Yup, always there for the public like the ever ready energizer bunny. Citizen review boards is the only thing that will bring this problem under control.

Anonymous said...

go get 'em Chris! let's bring down the house!

Anonymous said...

Their feeling the crunch that is for sure. Good job, Chris.

You should stand tall for speaking up for the truth and listening to all of us about what is really happening in Franconia.

Anonymous said...

10:08

Thanks for saving us. The exact sort of paternalism of a big gubbernment. We're would we be without you?
Now go out back and let pappy hose you down. Suppers almost ready.

Anonymous said...

10:08,

It's pretty sorry for you to behave like this when two lives were lost and concerned people are making a sincere effort to bring about positive change.

What happened in Franconia was a horrific tragedy for two families and an entire town. All you choose to do is attempt to grab attention through the situation like some kind of ambulance chaser or scanner chaser.

Anonymous said...

Oooops my post was meant for 8:47 not 10:08. I complimented 10:08 on the post.

Anonymous said...

What was it something like 24 times of "use of force" forms actually filled out by McKay and now we learn that he may have considered his behavior so normal on these occasions that he may have "forgot" to fill a form out over the 03 arrest? Wow, that's impressive. I wonder how many other times he "forgot" to do the proper paperwork? In a small town like Franconia even 24 times of needing to use force in 12 years shows his incompetency to work and negotiate with the human race. I would like to know if there is a particular age group that use of force was deemed necessary on his part?

If he did fill it out and Montminy can't keep track of PD records then it brings in a whole new angle of what other possible complaints never made it on paper or to the filing system.

Anonymous said...

I would also like to have his record compared to Mark Taylor's because as far as I know he is for the most part a decent cop.

Wonder how many times he had to use force on people? I bet you would see a big difference.

Anonymous said...

Debby,
Please look into the details of how many times and when use of force was used on humans before you make assumptions that force was used too much. Many of those 24 were on animals and there were very few in recent years.

Anonymous said...

People die every day. We are all gonna die. The way I see it, the drama is what is left. The chance to be a spectator, a commentator, to hatch ideas or poke holes in arguments. Now you may have lined me up as exclusively among the latter, but for all you know I could be the person who has made some pretty good suggestions and affirmation as Chris presses on. I may not be the one trick pony that the other guy always seems to be.

Elevating CK and his broader platform are important, and without a doubt, Chris has an eclectic world view. From hangin in the village at an old Ramones haunt to marching on Yale University to protest the war, to rubbing shoulders with some of the affluent in Fairfield county, to listening to the illegal worker at the Levitz factory loading furniture for 16 hour days and less than to going rate. Life's rich pageant.

The critic has a place. The unexamined approach is usually flawed.

And the jester does as well. The jester usually has it right in Shakespeare. And gives pause to reflect on the notion that we are never at our best when we are single-minded, always grave and serious. Its a thought. Not a very New England one, but a thought.

If its all about attention, then ignore the people with whom you disagree, or whom you judge as meritless. Thus no attention, thus, by your thesis, they will leave for a place where there is attention to be had.

Mom and Dad dropped this wisdom on us when dealing with the younger sibbling. But we could not listen. Its the train wreck, the need to be right, to have the last word, to be in on the happs, etc. that draws us into the petty little wars.

I have been here a long time. And been called worse. Lamenting the past is not for me. Sorry. To those of you that have or prospectively will get a chuckle or have a new thought based on my woofings, to you I say, Vive le difference! Long live the First Amendment! We can change the world!

Warpath or peace pipe. Decisions we face everyday. And whether to go with doubling down our wompum on a hard 12.

Everyone, have a good day. And have a laugh when you can.

Anonymous said...

I guess it would be alot less hazardous to fill out use of force forms on animals because they can't take you to court for abuse. Oh yeah, in Vermont they can though. That woman that supposedly tormented the K-9 dog for staring at it. The police charged her for abuse based on only a stare.

Anonymous said...

good post 10:37; i knew you'd pick up on the 'jester' thing in an intelligent context...and am glad that you did...
fine post indeed.

i would only add that the multiple 'identity' postings are trollery by nature, and serve to only self destruct the mothership, which should, and does, especially with chris' '1st amendment' advocacy and stance...INSIST ON ALLOWING DIVERGENT AND CONFLICTING OPINIONS and should of course!!!!!

the multiple identitything tho, just allows anyone at all to completely destroy the effort, which of course, is the intention of the lawbreakers who have been absolutely and specifically exposed by the hard work done here on the lawless 'official' murderous spin...

so i suggest some sort of simple 'email' user name registration as is done on all blogs that survive...
not censorship of divergent views; not at all!!! they are healthy and spark debate and intelligent discourse; even amongst philosophical enemies...

...that's healthy imo and, again, i liked the post i'm referring to by you very much....

so i hope chris will have the rocks to 'moderate' be a moderator or hire one...or get a volunteer one...no not me, i'm not available for that...but generally speaking...how do we assure that his foundational and groundbreakingly unique blog dosen't fall to death under the hand of people who quite overtly would like it to die or go away...some of these people are actual murderers...i mean 'actual' real murderers...or complict in them...as well we know...

the foundational work done here will stand...it IS and WILL BE the basis for MANY a journalistic project, film project, other media project...this entire story hasn't even come close to critical mass yet...and will HUGELY and with certainty...
and the next several times it makes HUGE national news, it won't be the AG spin...in fact, she'll be under the wheels...so to speak...

so, victory, of sorts, has already been accomplished...to some small beginning extent...
look at the events of the last few days...
monti has to speak thru his lawyers, ayotte is blaming monti, monti is blaming dead hero shumuck...
it's great to see actually...

but for the future...some kind of moderation here will have to come into effect or the place will deconstruct...

people deserve to know that any particular 'user name' is just ONE user...and not a free pass at off topic sick stuff put there intentionally to ridicule and destroy the effort, of ALL concerned people on ALL sides of every issue...

i think chris should re-think this...it's hard because he's the total '1st amendment' no censorship guy...and i support that...

but some basic moderation is sometshing that should be explored...or the parasites kill the entire organism...and intentinoally...and with little effort and no brain power...

so as for the myseteroius 'i may not be the one trick pony'

well, i'm sure someone of your intelligence is NOT...
but how is anybody to know...people have already had their freely given 'user' names appropriated and stolen...

people should have base line responsiblity for at least their 'anonymous' "user name" and toher peopel should have confience that that ONE person is THE person using THAT name...minimally...

and if that takes email registration with a user name as in every other blog that survives, from the popular political ones, to ones about consumer issues or hair dyes or jazz bands or whatever...
if people want to holler and get burned asses about that simple process, they shouldn't let the door slam them in the ass on the way out...and they can start their own blog about how this blog sucks...theya re free to do that...they should not be free to just attempt to hide behind other people's name they misappriate...or play tower of babel confusion games meant only to destroy and distract,,,techniques which ayottes and her monied supporters are expert at...
and also techniques that all politicians use every day...terror tactics essentially, meant only to destroy...not to debate, or express opinions or argue points in fair forum...

to that extent, trollery is here only to destroy, not to be the wise jester who is the smartest guy in the court...and has an important and valuable perspective and voice to share, whether it totally disagrees completely with every and anything said by ANYbody else...

if this is to become a hate site. which is the trolls intent...on the way to destroying it...
there is no loss if they whine somewhere else and are blocked here if they don't simply register a unique user name to them alone that no one else can corrupt...

let's stay on point with the issues and not get lost in this trollery...it's a smokescreen; we are more and more talking about crap instead of the issues...

k, jester?
that's something that occurred to me recently and i thought i'd put it out here for responses...
sometimes a strong moderator will protect the effort, sometimes the lack of one, watches the quality dimisnish to a lot of what we've seen here lately...intentional attacks...or just blithering idiots...that's okay...attack or be an idiot...but have an identifiable user name, and make your own reputation and don't steal anyone elses...
(not saying YOU are doing that jester, just mean generally, you dig?)
if peeps don't want to do that...get the hell out of here...join masscops...OH yo ucan't without registering....see?
u can't even join a fan club for your favorite boston rock band without a user name and a simple anonymous email registration...and there is a good reason for this imo.
ty.

Anonymous said...

I sense your frustration. Perhaps there should be some rules. Anarchy intrigues me, but can really piss someone off who has things that she wants to get done.

I leave it to Chris and, if he so chooses, the collective, to post some rules publicly. I know some bloggers who do so in the front column, and it is respected. And I would respect such rules. I would like to keep my name as Horn Dog, though the multiple personas were part of what I thought was clever, and as Horn Dog goes back to the adventures in 2005. Read the archives.

Anyhow, be of good cheer. I shall submit to the will of the collective if asked and maintain my happy disposition. It will be a new chapter in the book.

I signed myself above with another name from the days before the killings in the Franconia community. There are a lot of good characters that may have to be retired. Chief Jay. Wampanoag Nation. Sean Michaels. Learned Hand. Ed Bradley. Chico Amico. Hungry Man. KC Masterpiece. Randolf Duke. Devil's Advocate. Commissioner Gordon. Eugene V. Debs. Ted Haggard's Proctologist.
The Green Hornet. It was fun, trying to find a clever name.

"Without freedom, there can be no creativity; and without creativity, there can be no life"

James Tiberius Kirk

Anonymous said...

ty to chris, contributors to this blog and the collective who create forward movement in the aftermath of the franconia tragedy. your work is admirable, and your promise will be realized.

Christopher King said...

Fascinating that so many haters would bother to waste their time reading this drivel, huh?

I notice they haven't had much to say about the case law in this post.

Unincorporated Operating Div. of Ind. Newspapers, Inc. v. Trustees of Indiana University, 787 N.E.2d 893 (Ind. App. 4 Cir. 2003).

One of them even asked what Mike Gannon has to do with Liko Kenney, as if I am somehow bound to write about only Franconia on my own blawg.

How funny.

But for the record, they have a lot in common:

They both had their Civil Rights violated by the police, in case you didn't notice.

********

To the lovers:

Keep on lovin'!!!

The private detective and the major media person I spoke with today (oh, much bigger than Boston Magazine you better believe it) follow this blawg and that's really all I care about for now.

Well, that and the Mandamus/Declaratory Judgment Motion coming in the next two (2) weeks.

Go back and read INI v. Indiana University on that note.

Namaste.

Anonymous said...

Thanks CK, you're making a difference.

Christopher King said...

Hey Lifer,

Thanks. Talk soon, tell the family I said hello.

-c

Anonymous said...

One of them even asked what Mike Gannon has to do with Liko Kenney, as if I am somehow bound to write about only Franconia on my own blawg.

How funny.

But for the record, they have a lot in common:

They both had their Civil Rights violated by the police, in case you didn't notice.



Yup,yup,yup,

Everything to do with each other and 100's of more stories like it as we have seen here and in the papers all across America.

Be careful to jump on the side of trashing on your own personal civil rights because the knock could come on your door and you'll wish you would have realized you needed the protection of your Constitution.

At this point, if the government were to declare Martial Law everyone of us has lost our rights. If you do not COMPLY with everything you are told, you are then considered a dissenter and can lose your citizenship. Your bank account, your investments, your home, everything can be legally seized by the government. This is what we have allowed to be done to us in the wake of 9/11.

When we stand up for the civil rights of another, we stand up for the civil rights of us all.

Anonymous said...

Rock on, Chris!

Anonymous said...

seize, control, submit, COMPLY

sound familiar?

Anonymous said...

yeh it does, 2:58, sounds like a troll trying to be oblique.

and the point is...

Anonymous said...

my bad 2:58, You were responding to 8:51 and I totally misinterpreted you and got it wrong; sorry.

yes it sure does sound familiar; excuse me please.

Anonymous said...
seize, control, submit, COMPLY

sound familiar?

2:58 AM

yes it does!!, and forgive me please for reading you wrong.

Anonymous said...

to expand....check out this article about martial law. old news, but debby's prompt made me consider that many of us believe we lead fairly comfortable lives, with our freedoms intact, until we are the ones targeted, and our personal cries to exercise our civil rights are met with seizure and control of our very being.

the screws were tightening on liko after his '03 encounter with mckay, when he was seized, controlled and attacked by mckay.

on 5/11, several years more into the targeting by mckay, and with the physical challenges of ramming and mace without verbal directives, mckay once again manipulated information about back-up to his own advantage.

calling for help via cell phone, and seeking someone to bear witness were rational options to pursue, as liko did.

fleeing toward safety became a reasonable option under these circumstances, although in doing so, he did not fully "comply" and ultimately paid with his life.

here it is:

http://www.toward/
freedom.com/home/
content/view/911/

liko's story bears repeating.

consider whether you may or may not fully comply under certain circumstances; would you willingly jump on the train to be led to slaughter?

some folks here think that's exactly what liko should have done.

Anonymous said...

http://www.towardfreedom.com
/home/content/view/911/

Anonymous said...

liko did comply on the second stop; so there was no need for a ramming or a macing...he stopped and clearly indicated, (AGAIN, after asking for another officer at the first stop, which was his right)

he indicated and gestured clearly toward Tamarack, just a few hundred feet up the road (only when close to a known business with sure witnesses about, including family members, workers and public did Mckay speed up, turn around, wait for floyd to come into position...and then commence ramming...)

liko stopped, gestured toward Tamarack, a safe place to meet and deal with this safely (back up HAD been called and was onway)...

In the vid you see Liko back up onto the Mckenzie property in full compliance, make no attempt to escape in any direction...he backed into the property and stopped...

then, floyd in place, mckay rammed him...(missing audio would be very interesting behind this but never mind for now...)

monster truck rams tinker toy...again and again, attacked with a lethal weapon over and over...

liko shows two empty open hands to officer...very clearly and surely...
this is also key...

the audio snaps 'on'...the siren wails, mckay rushed out for a close up or something it seemed something of a 'performance'...a 'trophy' in the hunt...
Liko opens the window, puts out an empty open hand, fully accessible and appealing to the officer, he gets HOSED directly in his face (out of SOP procedure for the usage of the materials, which were NOT called for applying in the first place!!)

he is in shock and responds in some kind of primal defense, but not before mckay has a smug satisfied look on his face, and turns to his side out of frame...
we hear and see shots fired...

imo, had Liko NOT Complied TO ANY EXTENT with that stop, they would both be alive...
If Liko, after assessing that it was Mckay, frantically calling for help 3 times...communicating with the officer initially and then again at the second stop...
if that could not get him to a safe ground where our professional officers could have observed and participated...then he NEVER SHOULD HAVE COMPLIED...in that, both he and mckay would be alive...
and floyd would only have 42 psycho kills...

imo it appears that it was literally deadly to stop, comply and let that particular officer anywhere near your vehicle...

if he had SPEEDED away from that first stop...he would have made it home...
he didn't want to speed, or trigger a high speed chase with a maniac, so he stayed slow, there was nowhere else to go on 116 except Tamarack and mckay knew it...
and when confronted the second time...he tried no evasive maneuver but complied fully, and with continuing communication, and was attacked by that truck and with the poison anyway...

compliance=death
in certain equations
it is sad to say and have to report...

the 'protector' official, was the criminal perpetrator, again and again and again and again...
this should have been stopped YEARS prior...
now here we go
compliance=death
for both of them...

Anonymous said...

1:14,

This is a great article for all to read and understand what we are truly faced with here in America. The longer we look the other way the worse it will get.

There is a merging in the training designed for our military and law enforcement in this country. We are moving toward a police state government and we are seen less and less as human beings. We are referred to as "civilians" more and more as opposed to "citizens". Civilian is traditionally a military term.

Look at the other cases prior to and after Liko's in 03 where the charges were also dropped for possession of an illegal substance because there was not sufficient cause for the search. What was Liko arrested for? Liko Kenney was arrested for asking too many questions and not going back to his car because McKay refused to explain procedure to him? Not complying to a command? What exactly was the REASON for arresting him?

I know he was charged w/resisting arrest and assaulting an officer but was he falsely arrested in the first place?

I do not want to find myself in a situation with LE where I feel uncomfortable about any kind of supposed suspicion toward my behavior that I do not have the absolute right to ask questions of the officer AND have those questions reasonably answered.

Liko was a 19 yr old kid and yes he did give attitude. That does NOT constitute arresting him, dragging the kid behind a car and beating him up. When he was violated physically by McKay putting his crotch in his face, he was screaming for McKay to get off from him and resorted to grabbing the crotch that was in his face to get him off him. You better believe I would do the same thing and any woman that claimed this had happened to her would most likely be heard.

What was Liko originally arrested for?

Anonymous said...

debby at 4:46

as you suggest, he was most likely arrested for resisting arrest. or.....

oh, wait! supicious place/suspicious behavior?

that's what liko wanted to understand...."why"?

Anonymous said...

anonymous at 2:12

could not agree more with you......

but this gentleman, atty. john kacavas, takes a different position regarding the '03 stop than i.....wholly blaming liko for being taken behind his mother's car, beaten, and arrested.

perhaps liko was asking too many questions and raising the ire of officer mckay; and his last name was kenney. in mckay's mind, a beating was justified.

i shake my head, also....but in a different direction than kacavas.

http://www.wmur.com/video/
13764107/index.html

the link works......pls. choose "lawyer gives opinion on dashboard video" from playlist.

sickening.

Anonymous said...

debby @ 4:46

excellent point about LE being merged with military training parameters.
in my town, there is a division amongst officers who lean one way or the other, per my conversations with a few of them.
i suspect we are headed toward a police state, given the practical examples of everyday abuse of authority.

Anonymous said...

6:30,

It was actually a suspicious place, at a suspicious time. that is what Mckay says but I don't think that is cause to arrest someone.

Fox Hill is a parking area leading into a walking trail. Lots of people park and rest at such places. I find it common place - if it was 3 cars at one time perhaps but.....

McKay just liked to give people a hard time.