30 May 2007

KingCast presents: Thin Blue Line Part Deux with Officer N.B. Forrest, on Franconia Notch shooting tragedy.

This is why some people distrust police. Read what Mr. Forrest, an active law enforcement officer said in the comments section to this post:
"If the video exists and can be legally released at this point then I would support that. Likewise I'd support the release of the cruiser's computer information."


Then in another post, where I suggested a lawful sit-in, I drafted a Petition in the comments setion to present to NH AG Kelly Ayotte for the release of the video, and he refused to sign it. Instead he went sideways on me and wrote:
"Unlike you, I have enough faith in the system that I don't believe it's necessary to try and force-feed demands on the AG. I am confident that the truth of the matter will be revealed. Unlike you, I'm not at all convinced that the "interest of Justice" isn't already being served."

Is it illegal to request the video? My First Amendment sensibilities resoundingly say "no."

Related post: Thin Blue Line part one.

22 comments:

Christopher King said...

The video will be ugly, but as I noted in the 31 May 2007 deadline post regarding this and another Right-to-Know matter, the Georgia Supreme Court has even hosted police pursuit video on its own website:

http://christopher-king.blogspot.com/2007/05/kingcast-says-31-march-2007-looms-large.html

....and NH AG Kelly Ayotte pointed me to our law and its maxim:

"For our government to remain of the people, by the people, and for the people, while protecting individuals' privacy, it is essential that the people have reasonable and open access to the information that will inform the people what their government is up to and how it is performing.

Government, therefore, should be open, accessible, accountable and responsive. To that end, the public's right of access to governmental proceedings and records shall not be unreasonably restricted."


As the Concord Monitor aptly points out, the privacy rights of Liko Kenney and Officer McKay expired with each of their natural lives.

Now it is time to address the situation at hand, which is an incomplete investigation.

Christopher King said...

Then I've got MPSSG (another cop) over on WMUR forums saying I'm disbarred.

Which is a total falsity and I have sent in a comment on that. As we all know, I was SUSPENDED for a year in 2002 over the "nigger lover" case when I interviewed people who said the landlord often referred to my client as such.

Watch the "Day in Nashua" video over at KingCast.net where I explain it to Nashua Prosecutor/Lieutenant Tim Goulden, who totally understands the situation and wishes me well.

Here's the actual case:

http://christopher-king.blogspot.com/2006/07/kingcast-presents-columbus-case-that.html

And a bit more about how they apply the rules regarding taping when you have money and power, and when you..... don't:

http://christopher-king.blogspot.com/2006/07/kingcast-presents-ohio-and-nhs.html

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We taped the landlord, the state didn't like it even though it was not clearly unethical so they two-stepped me, sending me to probation for a year then saying at the end that I didn't fulfill my probationary obligations. I believe that I did fulfill those obligations but the lawyer who brought the complaint against me has the last name of Schottenstein. They OWN Columbus, including the Ohio State University arena is named after them, so you can do the math on that.

Whatever, that's a far cry from disbarrment, yo'.

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Sadly, when it comes to facts, some cops just don't care, but that's why I'm here. To get at the facts.

Anonymous said...

Chris: Followed this case keenly in the press. Feds have jurisdiction to investigate and prosecute since Rte 116 is on a federal right of way through the Whites (I checked). NH US attorney staff attorney told me he would take statements of anyone willing to come forward with criminal allegations on Floyd, but would not open an investigation himself, despite AG Ayotte emailing me that Floyd did not know whether McKay was dead or alive when Floyd murdered Kenney - a violation of every deadly force statute, state or federal, I know.
Deadly force requires that someone be in imminent danger of serious bodily harm and that benefits to public safety outweight benefits to even downed officers. No public report from any source asserts that all of these elements were present when Liko was murdered.

If only a fraction of what you said Macauley said is true there is a clear NH coverup. I spend considerable time in the Whites with my family. I have asked my US senator and congressman to ask DOJ to order the NH US attorney to open a federal investigation. No one is safe in the Whites with gun felons free. Guns are highly regulated on federal lands, especially where vehicles are involved.

It is outrageous that government will not acknowlege Liko's murder and act accordingly.

N. B. Forrest said...

Hmmmm. An interesting take on your woes with the Ohio legal system. Of course there are two sides to that coin.

My reading of the case (the actual case that is, not the cherry picked, sanitized version you present) is that it wasn't the taping of the telephone call that got you busted, but the fact that the call was a set up that you and another attorney concocted in a manner that would have you screaming "entrapment" if a law enforcement agency had done the exact same thing. Then you were supposed to work with a "mentor" as well as pay certain fines as part of your probation and you did neither.

Sadly, when it comes to facts, some cops just don't care, but that's why I'm here. To get at the facts.

Convieniently ignoring a good many of the critical facts in your own case(s)!

Christopher King said...

Interesting.

Meanwhile, I Just got a timely response letter from NH AAG Jeffrey Strelzin regarding my request for the video. He invoked RSA 91-A:4, IV and noted that fourteen (14) days will be necessary to evaluate the request.

I will post it shortly.

Peace.

Christopher King said...

Strelzin is the Chief of the Homicide Unit for those of you unfamiliar.

Christopher King said...

Forrest, you didn't have d*ck to say about your backpeddling. Nice.

But I will respond directly to you, mon frere:

Attorney/Counselor/Tenure Law Professor Lou Jacobs and I both knew that racial testing is legal in a case involving discrimination in real estate. The U.S. Supreme Court has ruled (see below) that it is not entrapment if the questions asked are neutral in nature and believe me, Attorney Pope, was actually was a landlord, BTW -- made sure of that.

And how do I know about racial testing?

Because my parents were testers and we were part of Heights Community Congress v. Hilltop Realty (1983, ND Ohio) 629 F Supp 1232 in the 1970's; my friend Alex Barclay's father, Don Barclay was the Cleveland Heights City Attorney.

Read paras. 4 and 5 from James O'Brien's manuscript 2.0 that is being printed right now with my edits.

http://christopher-king.blogspot.com/search?q=heights+community+congress

Maybe you can make version 3.0.

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And if you were to see the video from my hearing, you will see their lead attorney Julia Davis say that the sole issue before them was the phone call.

But in putting me on probation they cited all matter of stuff to which I was not afforded an opportunity to address at the hearing.

That would be Unconstitutional in some measure.

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I notice you declined comment on the Belcher v. ODHS case and how the State refused to accept her credits from Meharry Medical, the byproduct and continuation of Jim Crow laws, while Ohio State had long since accepted such credits.

Namaste.

Christopher King said...

Of course the funny thing about Forrest is that while he doesn't even address his own backpeddling, he is trying to make this issue all about me, instead of getting the video and the Truth set to light.

They tried the same shit in Jaffrey, and it worked, sadly by getting me indicted as NAACP legal chair for doing something I had a lawful right to do as I sought outside licensed counsel:

http://christopher-king.blogspot.com/2006/06/kingcast-presents-not-guilty-by-naacp.html

http://christopher-king.blogspot.com/2006/06/kingcast-presents-syllabus-of-court.html

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No one ever investigated whether Willie Toney received unlawful use of force or an unlawful body cavity search.

But it won't work this time.

Nice try.

Anonymous said...

Feds have jurisdiction? Alright! There is a definite case here.

Christopher King said...

Take a read of the letter I just received from the NH AG Homicide Chief, directly referencing Officer McKay's "murder" twice while saying nothing of Liko Kenney's possible murder.

http://christopher-king.blogspot.com/2007/05/kingcast-receives-letter-from-nh-aag.html

I'm not down with that. If there was a murder, there was a murder. And if there were two, there were two.

Namaste.

Jimmy Stewart said...

Ohio hangs from your neck like the mariner's albatross. You just can not spin that away. And that is good, by gum, a questionable past and ethics that push the envelope, well, that makes for a good story. Why, why they a can mentor this, I tell ya.

N. B. Forrest said...

...Attorney Pope, was actually was a landlord, BTW -- made sure of that.

Yes, he was a landlord of a building that was not yet ready for occupancy and your client had already signed a lease elsewhere. This was a set up pure and simple.

You can paint it with any brush you want to but it's all there for anyone who takes the time to look.

Legal Eagle said...

While Mr. King promotes himself as an accomplished attorney, Mr. Forrest is correct that an internet search will reveal facts that might lead one to a different opinion. If Mr. King is going to insist that Officer McKay’s and Mr. Floyd’s pasts undermine their credibility, it would follow that his own past be taken into consideration in an assessment of his credibility. Interested readers can see it for themselves at:

http://66.161.141.175/cgi-bin/texis/web/ohcaselaw/+HwwBmejVyNenxwwwwxFqHhqnvnhs+_wv_+_xvqv+8XwK+m9w+_x6s/bvindex.html

http://66.161.141.175/cgi-bin/texis/web/ohcaselaw/bvindex.html?dn=95+Ohio+St.3d+93&sid=fce3ef726a3626b3c3280a92d5a26b47

Mr. King will contend of course that these proceedings were the result of some personal vendetta against him. Mr. Forrest is correct in his understanding that the real issue behind this case was not simply Mr. King’s taping of a telephone conversation. Mr. King correctly claims that is not, in and of itself illegal under Ohio law. The facts of the case however go well beyond the taping of the call as some highlights from Columbus Bar Assn. v. King (1998), 84 Ohio St.3d 174, which resulted in Mr. King’s initial suspension, will indicate:

A panel of the Board of Commissioners on Grievances and Discipline of the Supreme Court found that relator proved all the allegations in the complaint, namely that Mr. King:
Engaged in conduct involving dishonesty, fraud, deceit, or misrepresentation; Engaged in conduct prejudicial to the administration of justice; Engaged in conduct adversely reflecting on fitness to practice law; Took action on behalf of a client when it was obvious that such action would serve merely to harass or maliciously injure another; Concealed that which an attorney is required by law to disclose; and Communicated or caused another to communicate on the subject of representation with a party known to be represented

"… King and Pope were less than fully cooperative during the investigation of this matter … When asked questions, [both attorneys] always avoided the question and went into oratorical statements. This is especially true of respondent King …

… it is significant, as to King, that he has demonstrated unacceptable behavior in the past. There have been at least four grievances filed with the Columbus Bar Association against him, and he has been sanctioned by two judges."

And from Columbus Bar Assn. v. King (2002), 95 Ohio St.3d 93, 2002-Ohio-1945:

"… on January 9, 1998, Judge David Cain of the Franklin County Court of Common Pleas imposed a Civ.R. 11 sanction on respondent in the amount of $5,000 to be paid in thirty days for frivolous behavior in continuing to pursue an action despite his client's own acknowledgement that she had no claim…

… on September 9, 1998, Judge Edmund A. Sargus, Jr., of the United States District Court for the Southern District of Ohio fined respondent $1,500 in attorney fees and $1,311.73 in costs for his conduct in Lampley v. Vagnier (1998), No. C2-96-337…

… on February 11, 1999, Judge Algenon L. Marbley of the United States District Court for the Southern District of Ohio held respondent in contempt for the manner in which he comported himself in Belcher v. Ohio Dept. Human Serv., (S.D.Ohio 1999), 48 F.Supp.3d 729,

… on July 7, 1999, Visiting Judge John Martin of the Franklin County Common Pleas Court held respondent in contempt and granted a mistrial due to respondent's conduct in Smith v. Professional Cellular Serv., Inc., No. 95CVH-12-8949

… the panel found that respondent had not fulfilled the purpose of his mentorship and that his conduct indicated that he could neither function as a professional lawyer in a courtroom nor afford his clients adequate representation."

Add to that the three different foreclosure cases in Franklin County, OH in 2006, as well as a tax collection action, etc. etc.

As Mr. King has pointed out however, Mr. Forrest was incorrect in earlier referring to him as a “former attorney”. Nor has he been disbarred as was claimed by someone else. As Mr. King does in fact have a law degree he remains an attorney. A disgraced attorney, but an attorney nonetheless.

“DISHONESTY, FRAUD, DECEIT and MISREPRESENTATION” Words that should be taken into consideration when assessing one's credibility.

legal eagle said...

Sorry, web addresses did not copy correctly in previous post.

http://66.161.141.175/cgi-bin/texis/web/ohcaselaw/+HwwBmejVyNenxwwwwxFqHhqnvnhs+_wv_+_xvqv+8XwK+m9w+_x6s/bvindex.html

http://66.161.141.175/cgi-bin/texis/web/ohcaselaw/bvindex.html?dn=95+Ohio+St.3d+93&sid=fce3ef726a3626b3c3280a92d5a26b47

legal eagle said...

Just do a Google search for "Columbus Bar Assn. v. King"

Anonymous said...

Excuse me Guys,

But Chris King is not acting as an attorney here but as a citizen. He was not involved in the deaths of Officer McKay or Liko Kenney. This is about McKay, Kenney, Floyd and McAulay.

Your point is to somehow discredit Chris in order to discredit his questions?

He is asking QUESTIONS and not representing anyone.

Anonymous said...

I admit this is rumor but a curious one.

McKay's ex took a temporary restraining order out on him but didn't follow through when she found out that he would have been fired from the force.

Anyone else hear about that? Just total curiosity on my part.

Christopher King said...

As to Ohio, that's a subterfuge of little import in this instance, and the alleged misconduct occurred fully ten (10) years ago!

Note how they went into how four grievances were filed against me.

So what? They were all DISMISSED; one dude even filed a complaint against me for sleeping with his wife. It was totally ridiculous.

And if anyone takes time to read Heights Community Congress, it doesn't matter one effin' bit what Sam Pope was, because he was performing as a tester in a case that obviously had racial overtones... or did you miss the "nigger-lover part?"

As I said, they can try to discredit me all they want, all the while failing to acknowledge the obvious problem of government upholding Jim Crow laws against Mrs. Belcher.

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Mr. Forrest, you can pick away at me all you want, but you still have yet to address your hasty little backpeddle, but who cares:

The video will be made public because other journalists and I moved for it, while you paid lip service to it.

And if you say I'm not a qualified lawyer, then try taking a shot at me not being a qualified journalist.

I don't need to stroke my ego; I've got people like you spending all day trying to discredit me, thereby you stroke my ego every time you put finger to keyboard.

Namaste.

Neil Young said...

Tin Soldiers and Chris King's coming, he'll holler and bitch and moan, can dish it out but can not take it, suspended in Ohio.

N. B. Forrest said...

... he is trying to make this issue all about me

Wrong.

It's about a murdered police officer. The only one trying to make this about you IS you, with all of your BS posturing and boasting. I just pointed that you've already judged Mr. Floyd because of his past, and you continually try to cast dispersions on Cpl. McKay's character based on rumor and unsubstantiated allegations about his past. As "legal eagle" put it:

If Mr. King is going to insist that Officer McKay’s and Mr. Floyd’s pasts undermine their credibility, it would follow that his own past be taken into consideration in an assessment of his credibility.

Exactly. Of course I keep forgetting that you're always right. You either win or the decision was bullshit! Kind of reminds me of comments Kanye West made when he was miffed about not winning some award. He said something to the effect of “If I don't win, then these awards don't have any credibility." Your attitude is about the same despite having had your legal ass handed to you more than once.

"...dishonesty, fraud, deceit or misrepresentatio ... his conduct indicated that he could neither function as a professional lawyer in a courtroom nor afford his clients adequate representation."

Ouch! But yeah, I know it's all just part of that big conspiracy against you. And there I go again forgetting that you're always right!

What you call "backpedaling" I call plain common sense. I'd like to see a thorough investigation to include the video etc., but I don't believe your grandstanding is either necessary or the appropriate way to proceed. You expect me to jump on your bandwagon but why on God's earth would I even want to be vaguely associated with someone the court has already said: Engaged in conduct involving dishonesty, fraud, deceit, or misrepresentation ? Oh I'm sure you'll take credit for it when the video is released, after all you "demanded" it! The fact that it would have been released anyway will be convieniently ignored just like you ignore everything that doesn't fit into what you've pre-determined the truth must be (and as we all know by now, you're always right!)

You go right ahead and call me some more chldish names and boast about how you “smoked” me or “broke your foot off in my ass” etc. As I said early on, your drivel isn’t worth the time it takes to read. Your true colors are clearer than ever and I’m going to take my own advice regarding teaching pigs to dance.

Christopher King said...

Again, Forrest, if I had lost any of the police cases to which I cite, you would say "what do you know, you've never won a police case."

And you know what else?

In this instance I'm a reporter with legal knowledge.

http://christopher-king.blogspot.com/2007/05/kingcast-asks-if-abuse-complaints-have.html

You care to take a shot at my reporting credentials, too?

Fact of the matter is I have used my skills to change public policy here in New Hampshire, and have been highly praised for so doing, whether you like it or not.

Get real, and get back to Floyd and McKay's background and the video, which sure as hell would NOT have been produced without requests from the media, including.... me.

You keep promising to leave this blawg.

Go on ahead and do it, then, you big bag of wind.

Christopher King said...

And pack this in your suitcase as you go, and don't let the doorknob hit-cha' where the Good Lord spit-cha'

http://christopher-king.blogspot.com/2006/12/christopher-king-sandra-ziehm-and-fred.html

Nice working with you, Officer.