14 May 2007

KingCast encourages wrongful death action for Franconia's Liko Kenney.

And here's why, as set forth by a concerned member of the Franconia community as noted in the footnote post and in this current New Hampshire Indy Media post:

"Isn't it interesting (disturbing)how quickly the state of New Hampshire decided not to press any charges against the vigilante that murdered Liko. Rumors abound here in Franconia. So why has there been no statement released from Caleb who was a passenger in Liko's car and an obvious witness to this entire tradgedy. There has been hardly a mention of him in any media.

From what I've "heard" his story didn't quite fit the "routine traffic stop" senerio. Nor did it corroborate the vigilante's story of the events...... Sounds like; a dead cop is a license to kill anyone in the vicinity. I just hope Liko's family files a wrongful death suit in civil court against this a-hole. Not for the money, FOR THE TRUTH!!!"

and:

"One encounter between Kenney and McKay, multiple sources said, left Kenney with a broken jaw and resulted in a lawsuit. Bill Kenney, said the suit was dismissed because there were no witnesses to the alleged incident.

"(McKay's) been after poor Liko ever since then," said Hugh McLean, whose wife, Jean, owns Floradale florist shop. "I suppose you can say he finally got him. Liko got him, too."

32 comments:

Christopher King said...

And let me be clear:

In no way do I condone what Mr. Kenney did.

But at the same time I certainly don't condone what the ex-marine guy did, either.

The fact remains that the town had an agreement designed to prevent something like this from happening and from all accounts Officer McKay breached that contract so I have to respectfully disagree with Attorney Ayotte when she claims that he was just doing his job.

In my heart of hearts I believe he was harrassing Mr. Kenney as many neighbors have stated.

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This is such a disturbing event I swear I have a headache, not to mention heartache for all of the families involved.

-c

Anonymous said...

AG Ayotte naturally has a hard-on for Police unity and protecting that pedestal they sit upon. Can this decision be appealed at the criminal level (beyond civil wrongful death) where this vigilantes actions can be examined?

Anonymous said...

This is such a crock it's pathetic. The only allegations of any kind of unprofessional conduct by Cpl. McKay are unsubstantiated comments from the family of his murderer, and make no mistake about it that's exactly what Liko Kenney was.

I don't know the reason for the initial traffic stop but Kenney committed a felony when he fled. The claim that he had a "right" to demand another officer is pure BS. The only thing he had was the obligation to follow the lawful directions of the officer who stopped him. What he did was to shoot him 4 times then run him down with his car. I can't believe that anyone would even attempt to justify his actions.

Gregory Floyd attempted to come to Cpl. McKay's aid. Just like any citizen he also had the right to defend himself and third parties from the illegal use of deadly force. When Kenney refused to drop his weapon, Floyd defended himself. Job well done in my opinion.

Rest in Peace Bruce McKay. Good riddance Liko Kenney.

(Let's see how long this post lasts. I doubt you liberals can handle a dose of the truth.)

Christopher King said...

Let me educate you:

First of all, what is substantiated to you are the police comments..... you take that for gospel when I've already shown you $58,500.00 reasons not to.

Next, Mr. Kenney committed no foul by leaving because there was a goddamn agreement that you refused to acknowledge.

Lastly, Mr. Floyd could have retreated.

As a former AAG (which you are probably not) you can't even hold my legal jockstrap.

Not to be blunt, sorry.

-c

Christopher King said...

To be blunt, you have no point.

-c

Mohandas Gandhi said...

Love this blog when it get personal. As a former peace activist, I say, take the gloves off and get busy hatin'! You can't leave New Hampshire now, there are too many fights to be won. Who is gonna strain Teeboom's prunes for him? Don't cut and run, this play has at least one more act!

Anonymous said...

"...Mr. Kenney committed no foul by leaving..."

How about "Refusing to Stop For a Police Officer" or "Attempting to Ellude a Police Officer"?

"...Mr. Floyd could have retreated."

Perhaps he could have but he had no legal duty to do so. I know you grasseaters hate the idea, but free citizens have not only the right but the responsibility to defend themselves.

"As a former AAG (which you are probably not) you can't even hold my legal jockstrap.

Of course you have absolutely no idea what my legal qualifications are. As far as you being a "former" AAG, I'm sure there's excellent reasons for that.

"Not to be blunt, sorry."

Not to be blunt but the day I need you to educate me will be a cold day in hell.

Anonymous said...

Unbelievable!! Today the state is closing the case on McKay and Kenney. They are saying that the passenger, Caleb's statement is unreliable because he was under the influence of pepper spray. Hhhmmm, so wouldn't that mean that Liko too was under the influence of pepper spray from the assault by the officer?

They most certainly do not want Caleb's account because he said Liko asked several times for a back up officer, not once and sped away. He stated a final time that he wanted another officer before pulling away. Liko was not driving at a high speed. McKay rammed them off the road, pulled around and slammed them head on suspending the car 20 to 30 ft. in the air. Then he pepper sprayed them.

Floyd has his only history with the law and was disturbed himself. He shot Liko several times, bullets flying all around Caleb. After having commanded Liko to drop his gun and killing him based on his assumption that Liko did not. He really couldn't tell if he had or not, this man COMMANDED Caleb to pick up Liko's gun!!!! WHY would he want Caleb to pick up the gun after just shooing Liko for possibly still holding it???? Yeah, sounds kind of weird....looks like he was looking for a license to shoot him too. Caleb refused to do it...sounds sane to me but hey, he was under the influence of pepper spray. After refusing to do so Floyd holding the gun on him told him to get out of the car. Caleb did so and stood still but this dude shot several bullets around Cale's feet and said, "Stay where you are. don't move!" Caleb didn't move.

A nurse on the scene wanted to administer CPR to Liko and was not allowed to but was told to do so for McKay. Liko never received medical attention - ever.

I am not going to pretend that it was okay for Liko to shoot McKay. It wasn't, but how different is what Floyd did to Liko? There are no hero's here, none. Only victims of poor choice and mental health.

Liko has is own history but many in the community knew he was getting his life on a good track and making headway towards a good life. He had his issues but there was hope for him. Yes, there is a police file on him.

McKay was in his 40's and not likely to give up using his badge inappropriately any time soon. Yes, their is a mountain of complaints about his mistreatment to citizens.

Floyd is a victim of war and the ravages that come from the trauma of it. He has his own record with the police department. He was problematic as well.

This is a story of mental health and inappropriate use of power. That goes for the states behavior as well. Corruption begets corruption, from the state level down to the civilian.

Anonymous said...

Hey, Great maturity on the part to the nasty person about "good riddance to Liko Kenney".

You seem quite stable yourself????? I doubt many of us are blown away by your version of the accounts and will shy away from speaking about what we know because of it.

The liberal comment further shows your lack of balance as a person. If you would like to know how many people have said McKay "deserved it and had it coming. It couldn't have happened to a better guy", I can get you a head count if that is the mental level you are able to resonate with. I'm sure it would be a far greater number if taken from the local area by the people who know the truth. McKay was known far beyond his jurisdiction for his mistreatment of the citizens and passers-through in the Northeast.

Perhaps you liked him because you a cut from the same cloth. Nobody here cares what you have to say. This is a place for people that believe in the constitutional rights of the citizens of the United States of America.

Anonymous said...

take a look at the Union Leader to see the kind of "hero" we have in Gregory Floyd. He makes Liko Kenney look like a kid in the sandbox.

Christopher King said...

Hey Anonymous let me respond to you while you call a crane to pick up my legal jockstrap:

"...Mr. Kenney committed no foul by leaving..."

How about "Refusing to Stop For a Police Officer" or "Attempting to Ellude a Police Officer"?


.....Well you seem to forget about the agreement between the police and Mr. Kenney's family that he could call for another officer. Officer McKay breached that agreement didn't he?

Respond directly to that.

"...Mr. Floyd could have retreated."

Perhaps he could have but he had no legal duty to do so. I know you grasseaters hate the idea, but free citizens have not only the right but the responsibility to defend themselves.


......Yes he did have a legal duty to do so pursuant to RSA 627:4. For instance, if a person - and, if there is another person he is protecting, that person - can retreat with complete safety from a situation while out in public, deadly force is not justified.

"As a former AAG (which you are probably not) you can't even hold my legal jockstrap.

Of course you have absolutely no idea what my legal qualifications are. As far as you being a "former" AAG, I'm sure there's excellent reasons for that.


.... Please feel free to identify yourself and admit your lack of knowledge on RSA 627:4.

.....as to why I left the AG's office that would have been the change in administration when Ohio's Bloody Betty Montgomery a/k/a Betty Kilowatt (as noted in the forthcoming book from James O'Brien) took office.

"Not to be blunt, sorry."

Not to be blunt but the day I need you to educate me will be a cold day in hell.


....it is pretty cold out today, isn't it.

Namaste.

Christopher King said...

In fact, it's at least as cold as your heart, and your heart in turn is at least as cold as your mind is vapid.

Congratulations, you've just been had by the Dangerous Black Man. Join the party with former (fired) Jaffrey Police Chief Martin Dunn and former (resigned under ethics investigation) Prosecutor Bill Albrecht.

Read para. 2:

http://christopher-king.blogspot.com/2006/12/kingcast-says-happy-new-year-and-gives.html

Namaste.

Louie the Lilac said...

Another Hater vaquished by the Dark Knight. No racial overtones meant.

Christopher King said...

No offense given, no offense taken.

Besides, correct spelling "eludes" that hater anyway, yo'.

Namaste.

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Skunk Baxter said...

You need to take it to the streeton this issue King, the public demands no less. Keep it real, all guerilla like and shiznit. March on Concord.

Anonymous said...

...Great maturity on the part to the nasty person about "good riddance to Liko Kenney".

I have no sympathy for cop killers and I make no apologies for it.

This is a place for people that believe in the constitutional rights of the citizens of the United States of America.

Then I belong here as much as you do. That's the great thing about the 1st Amendment. It even applies to people like me, who a lot of you I'm sure have already decided am a right-wing, biased Neanderthal. Funny thing is that it seems to me the real bias here is from those who automatically assume the police are always in the wrong and the suspects are always "victims". The possibility that the police had their hand forced by a violence prone low-life never even crosses your oh-so-politically-correct minds.

Please feel free to identify yourself and admit your lack of knowledge on RSA 627:4.

My legal expertise is in Maine Criminal law and while the specific statutes will differ somewhat the underlying principles remain the same.

A disturbing, tragic story? No doubt. But why is it that so few of you "open minded" people here refuse to even consider that the coin has two sides?

Where is this so called "agreement" that Kenney had some kind of "right" not to deal with McKay? OK NH legal experts, explain this one to me. If you don't like the cop who stops you for a violation you just tell him to call someone else and drive away?!

Where is there any evidence regarding the claim that Kenney had his jaw broken by McKay in the past? It's certainly not in the case file from his earlier arrest where he violently resisted arrest by several officers from several different agencies. Kenney was seen at the hospital and complained of pain to his jaw but there was no indication of any fracture.

Liko Kenney shot a police officer in the back 4 times. It's truly disheartening that so many of you think that was somehow justified because of that officer's "tough" reputation.

Besides, correct spelling "eludes" that hater anyway, yo'.

If the best you can come up with is criticism for a simple spelling error you don't really have too much worthwhile to say now, do you?

I stumbled across this blog while searching for more information on this incident. I'll gladly stumble back out and leave you grasseaters in your own little fantasy land where murderers are heroes and the cops are all engaged in some huge conspiracy to crush your civil rights. In the meantime I'll be living in the real world in case anyone would like to visit.

Howard Cosell said...

Anonymous stuns King with a rightand then another right. Anonymous makes the mistake that King is actually a seasoned professional in good standing with the legal community. He could be sued. Or be peppered with references to the Jerry Doyle case.

Christopher King said...

Actually Howard those are wild punches without must alacrity.

I remain a professional even without a current license and have changed public policy on First Amendment issues and tend not to lose employment cases or personal injury cases I work for Crnilovic-Phillips law offices.

http://christopher-king.blogspot.com/2007/02/kingcast-presents-nashua-telegraph.html

http://christopher-king.blogspot.com/2006/05/king-scores-another-victory-for-little.html

http://christopher-king.blogspot.com/2007/04/kingcast-and-black-man-in-wheelchair.html

And I've always maintained there there are two sides to this story and I see that, having worked as an attorney for the Ohio AG's office.

The side that anonymous fails to see is that many people in the community feel that Officer McKay was harassing Mr. Kenney.

Query, are they all wrong?

And did I ever say that I condone Mr. Kenny's actions?

Well I guess not because the very first comment here was:

"And let me be clear:

In no way do I condone what Mr. Kenney did.

But at the same time I certainly don't condone what the ex-marine guy did, either."


As to the "agreement" that Mr. Kenny could ask for another officer, well I got that from the notoriously right wing Union Leader.

And there's no left jab with Jerry Doyle cases because the police abuse case of Michael Isreal -- with the turnaround from him being accused of resisting arrest/assault on a police officer to instead receiving $58,500.00 is more germane to this particular case:

http://christopher-king.blogspot.com/2006/02/1998-we-got-60k-for-michael.html

I remain unscathed, just pulled another rope-a-dope.

Christopher King said...

Oh, and I certainly do not hate police (why would I have worked for the AG's office for 4 years, duh).

But some of them sure hate the NAACP and me, having called the NAACP the "National Association of Asshole-Colored People," and being so stupid as not to know that "blawg" is a real term, and not ghetto slang:

http://christopher-king.blogspot.com/2006/07/mass-cops-shuts-down-kingcast-comments.html

I don't shoot bad cops with guns; I just point them out with reason and intellect.

And that's a 5th-round knockout punch.

Namaste.

Christopher King said...

Oh, but just in case Anonymous decides to rise up again I'll hit him with the letter I wrote to Nashua Police Chief Hefferan:

http://christopher-king.blogspot.com/2007/05/kingcast-footnote-to-franconia-tragedy.html

Game, Set and Match, Blackenroe.

Speaking of which I'm signing up with a local 4.0 league, should be fun. I think I should be playing 4.5 or 5.0 if I really work it though.

Anonymous said...

(A different Anonymous BTW)

I've been following this story closely and trying to at least consider all points of view.

It does appear that a great many of the allegations against the police officer are coming from family members of his killer. That's hardly an objective source of information. As far as information about the supposed "agreement" where Kenney could insist on another officer coming from the "Union Leader", again, all they were doing was quoting a Kenney family member. Likewise, the allegations that the officer previously broke Kenney's jaw are only heresay with no real evidence supporting them.

I'd also point out to Mr. King that using your own blog entries as evidence of your "reason and intellect" fails the straight face test on several levels.

Finally, to use the boxing metaphors that you seem to like, you've set yourself up as both a fighter in the ring and the referee! OK, it's your blog so they're your rules. Hardly very above board though.

From where I sit things are fairly clear cut. Kenney murdered a policeman. Claims of self defense fall short. Whatever abuses the officer may have been guilty of, he didn't deserve to be shot four times.

Something else nobody seems to think about is the officers dashboard camera. If Kenney had been cooperative and the officer had still used excessive force or abused him in any way, that would all be recorded and could have been used in Kenney's defense. As it stands the camera shows Kenney fleeing the scene of a traffic stop and committing murder.

Do police abuses sometimes occur? Of course they do. But as has been pointed out by several people, there are two sides to this story. Too bad you seem to only focus on one of the possibilities.

Christopher King said...

Dear Anonymous:

First of all, read what a police officer and I discussed tonight:

http://christopher-king.blogspot.com/2007/05/kingcast-applauds-concord-monitor-for.html

Second, watch Nashua Lieutenant Tim Goulden and me talk in the KingCast video "Day in Nashua."

http://kingcast.net

He and I are totally cool, so come on, that's credibility right there. And we continue to talk about other issues you can read about in this blawg, just search "Vericomm deceptive business practices."

Next, the Concord Monitor is digging deeper into this situation as I have:

http://christopher-king.blogspot.com/2007/05/kingcast-applauds-concord-monitor-for.html

Also, referring people to my blawg post passes the giggle test by a wide margin because if you take the time to read the links there are news stories there from mass media, which as we all know is hardly owned by liberals.

Duh.

Not to mention the links from Nashua City Attorney Bennett who concurred with me on the First Amendment issues, and showing the foolishness of some police officers as noted in the MassCops entry.

You can't call me soft on crime or even begin to implicate that I'm only seeing Mr. Kenney's side of the story; there's so much I say to the contrary.

Please.

**********

When I was under a bogus indictment, as was Michael Isreal (who again, dammit received a $58K settlement for police abuse after I kicked ass in the criminal case) we were both vilified in the media the same way that Mr. Kenney was, and made it clear that I don't condone Mr. Kenney's actions, or did you miss that?

Have you even watched the Indictment press conference on KingCast?

What of the legal points I made during that?

And last but not least, it's hardly just the family members of Mr. Kenney who are saying that Officer McKay was out of line with him or others in the hood, and there was an agreement as noted in a conservative newspaper that because of their history he had a right to request another officer.

Are you saying that the Union Leader and other papers had it wrong, or what?

Step to me again and I'll knock you out, no glove but raw knuckles of knowledge.

Or as my friend just said as we laughed at your post, "Let the ignorant remain silent until learned."

Namaste.

Anonymous said...

(Anonymous #2 here again)

The media not owned by liberals?! Give me a break!

So then to summarize: You and only you have the clarity of thought to sort through all the conflicting versions of events and know what truly happened. Anyone who disagrees is labled a "hater" or just plain wrong or stupid and will be knocked out by your "raw knuckles of knowledge"! (The same raw knuckles of knowledge that got your license to practice law suspended?)

I think I'll join Anonymous #1 back in the real world as even trying to engage in a reasonable debate here is an exercise in futility.

Lew Alcindor said...

Are you dipping your pen in the company ink with that Serbian chick ? She split with her old man a while back, maybe she married for the citizenship. And then Chocolate Thunder came rolling across the sky. Damn!

Anonymous said...

No one in the Kenney family said that Kenney should have or had the right to shoot McKay so I don't know where you are getting your information.

McKay had personal issues and was not mentally fit to serve as a police officer. It is well known that his wife left him because he violently abused her. More than the Kenney boy had trouble with him. He was a harasser as a cop towards the people he singled out.

Liko did have his own mental issues and that is also quite clear. He made very poor choices and he is responsible for his own actions. The agreement about Liko asking for another officer was not only given for Liko but offered protection to the Department that McKay be kept in line with his own behavior. Do you think the police were stupid enough to have it in writing?

The crazy motorist is the worst of all of them. Check out his history. His dealings with the police are far darker than Liko's and he has even made threats on two police officers claiming he could have given them a third eye because he was sitting on his ruger.

If Liko's behavior was unjustified and it was so was this man's that is being labeled as a hero. Neither was okay and Floyd created as great a criminal act as Kenney.

I tried to tell people he was not a good man and now you can read it in the Union Leader and many other articles. He was disturbed. Next it will come out that this nut ordered Caleb to pick up liko's gun after blowing Liko's brains out because he "supposedly" was re-loading. What do you think he wanted him to pick it up for? Seems pretty clear to me. Caleb refused.

Nothing is black and white and there area many issues surrounding this situation.

They were all in the wrong - no one is to be glorified and no one person should be made the villian. It is small minded to label Liko as skum but call someone with Floyd's history a hero. The cops are holding the file complaints against McKay pretty tight and all records of lawsuits against him have been removed from the court house. I wonder why? McKay once arrested, hand cuffed and dragged a man off to jail that had an expired sticker on his dumpster. He picked and choice his targets. Bet they have been pretty busy with their paper shredder.

I will say again - The police are supposed to protect the community but who is protecting the community from the police.

Christopher King said...

Hey anonymous #2:

You can live in the past all you want to regarding my law license and the "nigger-lover" case:

http://christopher-king.blogspot.com/2006/07/kingcast-presents-columbus-case-that.html

......which never should have been suspended (if you watch "Day in Nashua" you will see that), but those events transpired in 1996, dude.

This is but one question I posed to you in the here and now in an attempt to raise the level of discourse and you entirely failed to address it:

"And last but not least, it's hardly just the family members of Mr. Kenney who are saying that Officer McKay was out of line with him or others in the hood, and there was an agreement as noted in a conservative newspaper that because of their history he had a right to request another officer.

Are you saying that the Union Leader and other papers had it wrong, or what?"


I'll be waiting for a reasonable response.

Meanwhile, a veteran police officer from the NYC area and I discussed this and other matters last night for damn near half an hour and he and his wife are totally cool with me, and totally understand the fact that I am looking at all sides of this issue -- unlike the State of New Hampshire -- and the Concord Monitor is looking deeper into things as well, so to you I say whatever, dude:

http://christopher-king.blogspot.com/2007/05/kingcast-says-to-all-haters-whatever.html

Peace.

PS: To Mr. Alcindor: I'm hardly Wilt the Stilt, but I do all right for an ugly guy, yo' :)

Christopher King said...

And if you don't think that major conservative corporations own and run the media you're on crack:

Ever heard of General Electric, fool?

Try reading some Ben Bagdikian and come on back to reality:

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/
Media/MediaMonopoly_Bagdikian.html

-L8r H8r

Anonymous said...

What makes no sense ... Statements given say Mckay cops pulls in front of Kenney vehicle and then pushes it off road...

How does Kenny back over McKay?

Why is Mckay walking away, behind Kenny's car after pepper spraying Kenney & passanger?

Why does Mckay turn his back on people he just pepper sprayed?

Why are there no statements from passanger being released?

How does Floyd know Kenny was reloading weapon if Kenny is sitting in vehicle? (Was he holding the gun above the window and not in his lap???)

If Kenny ran over McKay after he shot him, why did he stop to reload? Why did he stop at all? Why did he not drive away when somebody pulled a gun on him?

How can Floyd shoot a the driver of the vehicle without it being reckless to the passanger? Not only could he miss or the car move but the bullets could go through one body into the other of an innocent person.

It cannot be considered self defense if you can walk away from the situation .. Floyd's past clearly demonstrates he is not sound to act as a police officer and risk life of innocent people.

In no way am I saying Floyd should go to jail but I am saying that an actual investigation should take place and not declare everything over and job well done within days of the incident. Especially when things just don't sound right and there is questiinable pasts to all the players involved.

Cooter said...

Wuz you a homewrecker? Did that Russia girl have any chilluns with dat whitey?

Anonymous said...

I wrote the original post in this section. Since that time, details surrounding Floyd (Liko's killer) and his own violent history have surfaced. The truth is now unfolding and the adjective "disturbing" is not nearly a strong enough modifier to describe this man and his actions the night he murdered Liko. Isn't it ironic that while Liko had a problem with Mckay and most likely hated this one cop, Floyd had disdain for all police officers? I know that it must be shocking for all those who have elevated Floyd to hero status to now learn that he wasn't really saving the day when he put two bullets in Liko's chest. The truth is, that he simply had a thirst for killing. A thirst that hadn't been quenched since Vietnam (as far as we know). How is it that Floyd has been able to threaten the life of police officers, only to have the charges dropped. The reason is simple, his veteran status allows him to go unpunished for crimes that would certainly land any non-veteran in jail. His status has, so far, allowed him to get away with murder. I will again sign this post anonomously, for there is a killer on the loose. A killer who has not only been told that his murderous act was justified, but heroic. For those of you who still believe he is a hero, what will you say when he finally does put that bullet between a policeman's eyes. Forget the civil case, it's time to reopen a criminal investigation.

Christopher King said...

Word. You can't say it any better than that.

Peace.

-c