27 May 2007

KingCast asks N.B. Forrest if he's ever seen "The Thin Blue Line," relative to the Franconia shooting tragedy.

Hey man, you as a current law enforcement officer keep showing up on my posts where I request the police video of the Franconia Notch shooting tragedy, and arguing that "the system works," while failing to recognize that dissidents like me are indeed part of the system, whether you like it or not. Especially when we have experience as AAG's, as Civil Rights/employment lawyers representing police and suing police, and as a reporter for a large daily and a large weekly as the Fourth Estate.

Anyway, have you ever seen "The Thin Blue Line?"

You know a brother almost went to the chamber for killing a cop when the circumstances were not as the police suggested. And there was corruption involved in the cover-up. That's why I'm talking about a sit-in; civil disobedience.

If so, what have you to say about it? And if not, go watch it and get back with me. You roll up into my blawg talking shit you had better be ready to back it up... or I'll give you a third eye. Oh, wait, that's Shooter Floyd's line to the police, sorry. Anyway, that's why in this post I request a copy of the police video from NH AG Kelly Ayotte and show where the Georgia Supreme Court even hosted such a video on its own website.

"One man, Timothy Stephenson, sued McKay in 2005, alleging that he used his prosecutor’s role to settle scores. The men settled the case last year, with neither admitting blame." Interesting. Any other complaints filed? Read the substance of the allegations in the comments section. And I hear his file is now sealed for 2 years. Interesting, non?

Related video: I like Good Cops. Watch "Day in Nashua" at KingCast.net

Related post: Bogus traffic stop and a $58,500 settlement.
Related post: Bogus prosecution against me and dismissed case.
Related post: Bogus cop testimony and a death row reversal.
Related post: Bogus prosecution against Aaron Deboisbriand and NG verdict in an hour.
Related post: NPR notes that Chicago cops had open season on black folks; even Olympic Gold winner Shani Davis caught hell and sued.

The "system" only worked in these cases because somebody sued (1,2,3) or otherwise stood up to the police (4), natch.

Namaste.

76 comments:

Christopher King said...

So you see, Forrest, we're part of the same system, even if you don't like what I do or say.

That's America, the Land of the Free -- but more importantly, the Home of the Brave:

http://christopher-king.blogspot.com/2006/04/naacp-trial-7-attempts-to-chill-first.html

Namaste.

Anonymous said...

I have watched the system fail all around me and I am not on the "inside" of it so I personally find it a joke for N.B.Forrest to claim it works. It works for the people that are "workin'" and "ownin'" the system.

I have never had problems myself but have seen it happen to the people around me.

I watched a mother lose her beautiful 1 year old baby while going through a divorce because her soon to be ex-husband's parents had a more suitable (prettier) home than her parents. She was still breastfeeding her baby and she was stripped away from her. It had nothing to do with what kind of mother she was. She was smart enough to represent herself in court next time around and got her daughter back but couldn't even take it to court for a year. Taking a baby still breastfeeding from her loving, adoring mother because the father had a visually nicer home is not the picture of a system that works.

I watched a man that was shot and narrowly miss death find no justice. The bullet missed his heart by an inch. This man never touched the other person nor did he even have a weapon on him. The judge declared his hands as "lethal weapons" because he has been in trouble with the law in the past. He has been defiant with police officers. He was shot with a 357. magnum. The guy who shot him walked on self defense. He has relatives "inside" the system. This is not the picture of a system that works.

I have watched a bitter woman angry that he ex-husband re-married after 10 yrs. of their divorce, file for more child support the day after he married. She owns her own business, lied about her income, lied about late child support (he was never late and she had no proof to the otherwise), lied about the father's lack of involvement with the child and never provided standard required court ordered paperwork about her income. She raped the father financially, got his payments ordered through the court and got the judge to basically strip the man of making any choices in regards to raising his son. This is not a picture of a system that works.

Now we are watching the state close all the records on Bruce McKay, hide his past history as a bully rogue cop, print every minuscule thing they have on Kenney, praise a maniacally ex-marine that endangers the life of a passenger and dis-regard the credible statement of the passenger. I don't call this the picture of a system that works.

This is the picture of a system that needs to be changed and once again stand for justice, truth and freedom.

I beseech the townspeople of Franconia and the surrounding areas to stand up and fight for your freedom, your rights and human decency. If EVERYONE stands the people do not need to be afraid - everyone must stand together so this never happens again. Do not let the death of these men be in vain.

The system failed McKay when his superiors allowed him to behave in such an inappropriate manner from one department to another. He might be alive today if the PD really cared enough to watch over their own, making sure they knew how to be honorable officers of the law.

Liko Kenney might be alive today if we had the courage needed to speak up for such injustice when we see others being singled out and terrorized by someone in authority.

Somewhere else there is another "McKay" that needs his Superiors to guide him and teach him to be a good cop. Somewhere else there is another "Liko Kenney" that needs fellow citizens to speak up on his behalf.

Now is the time to STAND, now is the time to SPEAK. If not now, when?

If not NOW, WHEN?

Christopher King said...

Dig that.

I'm here right here, right now:

http://christopher-king.blogspot.com/2007/05/kingcast-tells-nh-ag-kelly-ayotte-on.html

Those kinds of abuses of which you spoke are what led BostonNOW editor James O'Brien to write my biography manuscript:

http://christopher-king.blogspot.com/2007/01/kingcast-watches-as-nashua-school.html

And you should know that if I organize a sit-in, it's going to rock, and believe me I know most of the applicable law regarding lawful sit-ins, having authored substantial portions of the successful Ohio Supreme Court brief in State v. Lessin, read para. 1:

http://christopher-king.blogspot.com/2006/10/kingcast-and-christopher-king-seek.html

Peace.

Christopher King said...

Forrest.... I'm missing you, man.

Come join us.

-c

Christopher King said...

The Stephenson complaint:

Timothy D. Stephenson, arrested on April 30, 2004, for disorderly conduct, ended up filing a small claims suit for about $2,500 against McKay, saying he had bullied him and behaved in an unprofessional manner.

In the small claims suit, which ended up being disposed of last year after Stephenson and McKay agreed to drop the matter, Stephenson had accused McKay of demanding personal and financial information that had nothing to do with the charge against him.

"Bruce McKay has not been of good behavior and committed an unlawful act toward me on Oct. 14, 2005, when he threatened me, saying, 'I am going to do whatever I can to get rid of you,'" the suit filed by Stephenson stated.

...........And to add to the irony of not being able to attend Tamarack Tennis Camp because of the bogus indictment, I also realize that Officer McKay's wedding (and ultimately his funeral services) were held at Cannon Mountain -- which is the mountain at which I've skied more than any other in New Hampshire.

..........None of this had to happen, but now that it did, everything needs to be thoroughly investigated. As I've said before, the souls of these two men and the community will never be right until that happens.

Christopher King said...

Forrest?

Where art thou?

Anonymous said...

Hello kingcast, this blog page isn't about civil injustice. It is more about stroking your ego. I read your letter the the AG. The page is 2/3 about yourself and less about the nature of your request. I don't think the video needs to be released tot he public. Bruce's daughter is still in the area and kids and theire parents can be cruel. How would you like somebody approaching your daughter and saying I watched your dad get killed last night. If there were any inproprieties on the night of the 11th I hope they do come to light. But, remember in this system that you claim to be a member of, innocent until proven guilty. Kenney had his day in court he was found guilty. Everything about Bruce has not been proven beyond a reasonable doubt. and, yet his name is being dragged through the mud. Kenney has done quite a bit of lawlessness that has yet to be reported on your blog. And, Floyd even if it did not play out exactly the way he described it, his retelling of the events must have matched the other eyewitnesses somewhat. An exlawyer of any caliber should know an eyewitness could be way off. So keep up the good work on your witch hunt and get to the bottom of this quagmire.

Anonymous said...

An eyewitness can be way off?????? I would trust the passenger in the car's eyewitness account before I would the man that shot Kenney.

How off might Floyd's eyewitness account be?

The next witness that arrived at the scene after Floyd most likely saved the life of the passenger by showing up when he did.

Excuse me, but if McKay has such a pristine history as a Police Officer then why close all records on him for 2 years if it could possibly clear his name from being dragged through the mud?

Suggestion of a witch hunt is ridiculous. Nobody is trying to hide Kenney's past or Floyd's.

Anonymous said...

"Kenney has done quite a bit of lawlessness that has yet to be reported on your blog. And, Floyd even if it did not play out exactly the way he described it, his retelling of the events must have matched the other eyewitnesses somewhat. An exlawyer of any caliber should know an eyewitness could be way off."

ALL we have gotten from the media is how bad Kenney was, which is a total slant on the entire situation. The information put out has been intentional to put McKay in the best possible light and Kenney in the worst.

Trust me there isn't a person posting here that doesn't know every last bit of dirt that could be dug up on Kenney unless they have been under a rock for the last 2 weeks.

What makes you trust the account of a man with a record far worse then Kenney had and has even threatened the lives of State Troopers?

On top of it, you are okay with the possibility that his statement might be somewhat off? WOW!

Anonymous said...

I have read the posts on WMUR's forums, quite a bit of negativity about Bruce on that site. I think NH's RSAs, state resisting arrest is still considered resisting arrest even if the arresting offense was illegal. So starting off Kenney was in the wrong.
I would only trust an eyewitness if at least 10 eye witnesses said the same thing then I would ponder was the story concocted. I would not trust Caleb Macauley's statement any more than Floyd's. I read somewhere on this site about Macaauley alleging the responding officers used OC spray on him again. If that is a reliable source, you should go back and check your references. I read here also McKay's files would be sealed for 2 years where did this info come from? If you want to get to the bottom of this mess people need to check their facts and quit post half truths and misinformation. This site would be a lot smaller if Kingcast would quit stroking his ego and state the question, facts and points. OK he faced off against several corrupt police officers and won, good for him, but the law of averages are bound to take a turn for the worst, can't win them all. Good luck on finding the truth.

Christopher King said...

8:15

"In this system that you claim to be a member of, innocent until proven guilty

.....Clearly you have not read one of the cases I just set before you.

Stroking [my] ego?

Why, because I've never been wrong about a cop case and I'm not afraid to say so? Spare me. NH AG Ayotte didn't think so when she addressed a very relevant First Amendment issue with me recently:

http://christopher-king.blogspot.com/2007/05/kingcast-says-31-march-2007-looms-large.html

So you think it's completely irrelevant that I showed AG Ayotte that the police were wrong on prior occasion, warned her about it twice, and then that cop gets fired and sustained by another former AG and his prosecutor fired?

What planet are you from, amyway? You can call it "stroking my ego," but I call it setting up my qualifications to address this issue.

As to Mr. Kenney's transgressions, the mass media has reported all of that, the same way it vilified me, natch.

And what of the sealing of Officer McKays files. Doesn't that add to suspicions that there is something dirty in there?

And as to Officer McKay's daughter, that's unfortunate. But he picked his career and I guess you disagree with the Concord monitor and me on the video, that's fine. You are entitled to, but what you should not do, in the face of all of the cases I've just set before you, some mine and some not, is to say something like:

And, Floyd even if it did not play out exactly the way he described it, his retelling of the events must have matched the other eyewitnesses somewhat.

....so somewhat is good enough to protect the rights of Liko Kenney and the threat that Caleb MacCauley claims to have suffered?

Surely you jest.

8:34

An eyewitness can be way off?????? I would trust the passenger in the car's eyewitness account before I would the man that shot Kenney.

How off might Floyd's eyewitness account be?


....exactly. Given his hot-headed nature and his semper fi mentality as expressed to the police directly (notice how 8:15 cleanly ignores this) it's readily foreseeable he jus walked up to Liko Kenney and shot him. And that would be..... murder, and reckless endangerment of Caleb MacCauley.

Duh.

11:19:

Oh, another "ego stroking" complaint. Look, you will find no more probative questions about this case on any other blog or blawg, and you can say the "law of averages" is bound to catch up with me and I'll be wrong about a cop case eventually.

But so far I haven't been (it would be a Good Day for Justice in this case if I was wrong), and I used my training and intellect to ask the important questions in those cases -- one of which involved this very AG and a lot of wasted taxpayer monies, mind you -- to get to the truth.

Some of the same questions I'm asking now.

The issues of McKay's file being sealed and the second macing of McCauley will all either be proved or disproved in due course, and those comments come from people very close to the situation. If it makes you happier I will call the police department today and see if the files are sealed.

But again, that video and the information in the car's computer sure would go far in helping us to find the truth, would it not?

So that's why I asked for it.

Lastly, you downplay the possible use of unlawful force by Officer McKay by saying you believe it's still illegal in NH to resist an unlawful arrest. Well you should check that before you speak, but even if that's true, I certainly would argue in favor of a reversal, modification or extention of that law because that's absurd.

My buddy Regina Sansalone won on that very issue in Ohio, so once again you can say I'm stroking my ego and I'll say I'm just showing you valid legal precedent.

Read the three (3) thumbnails at the bottom of this post to see what happened in State v. Sansalone, 71 Ohio App.3d 284 (1991):

http://christopher-king.blogspot.com/search?q=sansalone

Namaste.

Christopher King said...

More relevant information has just come in via email, so let's see how this pans out:

Just some further information that I have heard from people who were at the scene. They were either the first or among the first to happen by the scene. Sam and Chuck (if you ever go to Franconia, they can often be found having coffee at the Village Market, Chuck's mother Ellie works there). They had to sign statements for the investigators, so hopefully those will be relased.

.....hopefully so.

The Union Leader is full of it. They wrote in an article and also a Joe McQuaid piece that Floyd parked his truck to shield McKay's body (that was in a May 13th article and repeated by McQuaid
later). Not possible. When responders arrived, McKay was still under Liko's car. No way for Floyd to shield McKay when McKay is under the car!

.........yep, I had noticed that myself and was wondering about the inconsistency. Just trying to make Floyd into a damn hero when his past statements about the value of human life, issued toward the police no less -- indicate otherwise.

..........wait until you see the Union Leader Editorial they ran on me, eventually having to eat those words. It's no longer on the Internet but I've got a copy of it right here next to my image scanner.

Floyd shot Liko from the passenger side.

.........Now that's interesting. Talk about reckless endangerment to Caleb, it gets no worse than that, shooting across his body.

I don't really believe what someone told you about Caleb being maced two more times. The police took Caleb away from the scene pretty much right away when they got there. Maybe it's true, but it doesn't really make sense.

.....Maybe it's true and maybe it isn't I hope for the sake of Justice that it is not true. This just goes to confirm how everything we are hearing is pretty much hearsay FROM ALL SIDES, except for that allegation that Floyd "parked his car to shield the officer." That's clearly impossible, and thus bullshit.

......Some of the things I've seen police do make absolutely no sense -- like charging Michael Isreal with driving drunk when he doesn't even drink, just because he told the police they were racist.

Peace and Love-,

-c

Christopher King said...

Meanwhile, where's Forrest?

-c

Anonymous said...

Caleb,

Absolutely was maced at least two more times.

As soon as the troopers arrived on the scene they took full charge of it and local officers were NOT in charge.

State Trooper treatment. Imagine a bunch of angry LE seeing a fellow officer downed. Liko was dead and Caleb was left to their rage.

Whoever is posting how nice they would have treated Caleb is really wearing rose-colored glasses. It may have been wrong and I stand with Caleb but put yourself in shoes of theTroopers......get real.

Christopher King said...

Yeah, I would tend to agree with that, especially if he was yelling "That bastard murdered Liko" as reported. They would want no parts of that discourse.

And as to the "ego stroking" critics:

To hell with you, and here's why:

1. If I had lost those cases you would say, "oh, what does he know, he's just lost all the police cases he ever litigated."

2. If I had no experience you would say, "oh, what does he know, he's never been involved in these situations."

I'm just a guy whose spirit refuses to be broken by the corporate monolith that runs media (and believe me I was flat fucking villified by the same entities who are making Liko out to be the villian and Officer McKay and Floyd out to be martyr and hero, respectively) -- but I stood my ground and prevailed.

Nor will I fail to appropriately question the police, with whom I have worked as an attorney and subsequently as a zoning manager,

http://christopher-king.blogspot.com/2006/07/kingcast-presents-blackballed-nimby.html

.....erecting wireless towers and giving them air space on the cheap (or often free) to help protect U.S. Citizens.

Peace.

N. B. Forrest said...

Forrest? Where art thou?

Oh I'm sorry, I didn't realize I was obligated to stand by my keyboard so I could immediately reply. I selfishly did some stuff with my family for the holiday. Next time I'll know better.

(one) Anonymous said...
An eyewitness can be way off??????

Damn right they can be. Anyone familiar with criminal proceedings knows that "eye witness" testimony is among the least reliable forms of evidence. Have 5 people view the exact same incident and you'll end up with 5 different (sometimes vastly different) versions of what happened.

I don't expect everyone to agree with me and I recognize that other people will see this incident, and how to react to this incident differently. That same courtesy of course isn't extended to me or anyone else who doesn't fall in lock-step with your "guilty until proven innocent" approach to Cpl. McKay. Anyone who doesn't agree with your pre-determined opinion of what "justice" is in this case is wrong. You must be high if you actually expect me to support your antics. I'd like to see the truth of this matter come out but I'm confident that it will, without any showboating or grandstanding.

I find it pathetically amusing that you put so much emphasis on unsubstantiated, anonymous accounts of McKay's behavior and on one civil case that ended without any determinattion of wrong doing on his part. After all, how much scrutiny would your past stand up to? You repeatedly boast about a few cases where you've been on the winning side, but there are a couple of others you would rather not talk about aren't there? (It really is incredible what you can come up with just a quick internet search!)

(a different) Anonymous said...
...this blog page isn't about civil injustice. It is more about stroking your ego...

Boy have you ever hit the nail on the head! If you haven't already realized it though, opposing points of view here will only result in some condescending comments and an occasional insult thown your way.

Anonymous said...

Hey Chris,

Don't you just love the way people attempt to discredit your intellect and accomplishments when it doesn't line up with their opinion?

Especially from someone that feels just fine with a person's statement being "somewhat off". Sounds to me this person does not want anyone to dig for the truth, as their of the opinion that it DOESN'T MATTER if the Officer or Floyd's action were appropriate or not.

Yes, people can be very cruel and I wish no harm to the little 9 year old girl that lost her father.

I wonder how it must feel to the Kenney family to have this covered up to the point that McKay was so amazing and their son was a worthless human being with nothing to contribute to society. Yes, people can be very cruel indeed.

Christopher King said...

Hey Forrest:

Welcome back. I did somethings other than blawg this weekend as well, but I'm not losing sight of this situation which is well out of hand and not because of me.

Say what you want, sure I've lost some cases (but if you look into them the decisions were bullshit) but more importantly, I've never been wrong about a police case, and this is a police case, last time I checked.

And if witness accounts can be "way off" why do you put so much emphasis on Floyd's version of the tragedy. After all, we know now that it was probably impossible for him to have parked his car to shield Officer McKay when McKay was still under Mr. Kenney's car.

And from what I hear coming forward from identified sources who gave statements to the police, Floyd shot Kenney from the passenger side, thereby endangering Caleb.

As to "ego stroking," as I said before, I just point out that I've been villified the same way Liko is being villified, and I raise questions.

BTW you haven't yet directly responded to the notion you set forth that "the system works" when I have shown you concrete examples where it has only worked because someone sued the police.

Try again.

I bet to you all Civil Rights protests are "grandstanding."

Anonymous said...

I'm the one that commented about your ego stroking in the letter to the AG. If you have so much history with the AG you should not have had to go on about how great you are and just got to the point of the letter. I' sure you are a very intelligent man in your field. But, if you are such a great lawyer, why did you lose your license? I'm not familiar with the process but doesn't it include a hearing, lost that one, huh.

Here is a copy of RSA 642:2,

642:2 Resisting Arrest or Detention. – A person is guilty of a misdemeanor when the person knowingly or purposely physically interferes with a person recognized to be a law enforcement official, including a probation or parole officer, seeking to effect an arrest or detention of the person or another regardless of whether there is a legal basis for the arrest. Verbal protestations alone shall not constitute resisting arrest or detention.

I think driving away would be considered resisting arrest.

Eye witnesses can be wrong and normally are wrong. Your source about Macauley being sprayed by responding officers is completely off base, check your facts and then recheck your facts. From my reliable source Macauley was away from the vehicle, just standing around. Once Law enforcement officers identified him as beingin the car. He was handcuffed and searched. then EMT's flushed his eyes to get the OC out from Bruce's initial spray. He was then placed in the back of a Trooper's car. After quite a few minutes staying at the scene the trooper took Macauley away. Those are the facts. I will agree it would be tough for Flyod to use his truck to shield McKay.

The truth will come out. Bruce McKay was a human and humans make mistakes. I don't think the press is making him out to be a super hero cop. He was a Police officer that did his job to the best of his ability and was gunned down in premeditated cold blooded murder and then runned down and then ran over again. (to the eye witness that said kenney accidently ran McKay over because he couldn't see, he was 10-15 feet up onto the lawn, big difference between driving on a lawn and pavement) How about a wrongfull death suit against the kenney's. They knew he had a gun and a death wish against McKay. But, did nothing about it, sounds like negligence.

Anonymous said...

You can't believe eyewitnesses but you can believe everything a police officer says or someone who shoots down a person that kills a police officer?

You wonder why people have trouble believing the authorities.

He was maced after the LE arrived and if you are going to lie about that then what else are you lying about?

Hhhhhmmmm


I believe the only person the McKay family would possibly be able to sue is Liko Kenney and he is dead. He was 24 years old. Liko owned nothing. Perhaps his car would be of some use?

Christopher King said...

Hey 7:53:

"My ego stroking letter" to the AG also included the fact that I supported her on several initiatives so people like you couldn't say I have it in for her, duh. But you cleanly ignored that, huh?

And after the mass media assault I took -- with the tacit approval of Attorney Ayotte, more on this later -- you're goddamn right I'm going to trumpet my victories, in the same way that Boston financier John Feloni noted I "went from Douchebag to darling."

http://christopher-king.blogspot.com/2007/02/boston-authorbroker-john-feloni-says.html

Plus, what you fail to acknowledge is the point blank fact that my prior issues with Attorney Ayotte on which we disagree involved the lack of investigation into police misconduct, when the very cop of whom I complained ended up being fired for misconduct and his prosecutor left under a goddamn ethics investigation:

http://christopher-king.blogspot.com/2006/12/kingcast-says-happy-new-year-and-gives.html

Means nothing to you, huh?

************

Now as to resisting an unlawful arrest, I have noted that this law should be changed or modified, based on my first hand knowledge of a case in which a friend of mine prevailed on an unlawful arrest in Ohio, read the thumbnails at the end of the first post here:

http://christopher-king.blogspot.com/search?q=sansalone

.....and of course you fail to address the very real possibility that Officer McKay used unreasonable force when Mr. Kenney asked for another officer to witness, as he had been told he could do, given their history. That just makes sense, in a non-life-threatening situation like a routine traffic stop, doesn't it?

Also, I note that the person with the most reason to lie -- Shooter Floyd -- had indeed been heralded as a "hero" and virtually nothing has been aired about Officer McKay potentially using excessive force.

Nothing.

************

As to the license suspension for a year, that was bullshit. They knew they had no grounds to take it, then they put me on probation for a year, then say I didn't comply with the probation.

Here is the case that started it, when another attorney and I telephone taped a landlord with a penchant for calling my client a "nigger-lover."

http://christopher-king.blogspot.com/2006/07/kingcast-presents-columbus-case-that.html

Not to mention that landlord had been under an emergency order to fix the ceiling, which was dropping slick plaster onto the bathroom floor on which my client slipped and busted her ass:

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums
/g256/blackenroe2/Picture255.jpg

See, surreptitious phone taping was not illegal or unethical in Ohio when we did it, and we were investigating racial discrimination in housing; the other attorney is Caucasian, BTW.

If you think that hearing was fair, consider that the Disciplinary counsel said I was a "philosophical orator" (so too was John Quincy Adams, Esq., Mahatmas Ghandi, Esq.) -- and they even said that I admitted my relationship with mentor Lou Jacobs, Esq. had "failed."

But that's clearly bullshit because Lou Jacobs wrote me a recommendation letter to open a title company.

And did I mention that NH AG Kelly Ayotte ignored some wire fraud that I notified her of; I had to sue them after they forged my name to a mortgage to "git 'er done."

http://christopher-king.blogspot.com/2005/12/heavy-hands-part-deux.html

As to Ohio and my license, I've got the whole bogus hearing on video and it is discussed in James O'Brien's book.

But you can watch me discuss it with Lieutenant Tim Goulden in KingCast short film, "Day in Nashua," celebrating another First Amendment Victory when the NAACP tried to keep me from posting Deposition transcript testimony on line.

Obviously, Tim and I are cool and he knows I'm always professional and respectful of law enforcement, unlike Shooter Floyd, who threatened to give the cops a third eye and grabbed a cop's nuts. The only reason you haven't railed against him is because he killed a cop killer and you know it.

Again, to paraphrase Mr. Brando:

"What else you got?"

Christopher King said...

Oh, yeah Forrest:

You may have noted that I added alink I want to ask you about in relation to your statement that "the system works."

It would be the NPR report that notes how Chicago cops used to routinely whup black folks and cover it up:

http://christopher-king.blogspot.com/2006/07/npr-and-kingcast-report-in-chicago.html

And sure enough even a black Olympian Gold Medalist took the wrath. Click on "America's Best."

http://christopher-king.blogspot.com/2006/02/go-shani-go_25.html

How was "the system" working for these victims, Mr. Forrest?

Namaste.

Anonymous said...

I think everyone is missing the point. First, if there was a cover up everybody who put their name to the investigation their career would be over. The hells Angels have a saying, "two can keep a secret if one is dead". So many hands are on investigation, somebody would talk if there was a cover up. If bruce was a bully cop it makes no difference. If Bruce was heard saying he was going "to get" kenney, it makes no difference. Bruce could have been the new age hitler, it doesn't matter. There are rules and procedures to file a complaint kenney did not follow those procedures. Floyd's past history is irrelevant, He had his day in court was found guilty and learned from his past mistakes. Kenney had not learned from his past mistakes and continue on a course of lawlessness. Which, ended in the shooting of a police officer. Kenney's action were excessive and unwarranted. It is not an issue of whether McKay pushed kenney to kill him. The issues is kenney chose to kill Mckay. The use of deadly force by kenney was not a legal option for him to take.

Christopher King said...

No, Man you missed the point:

"If bruce was a bully cop it makes no difference. If Bruce was heard saying he was going "to get" kenney, it makes no difference. Bruce could have been the new age hitler, it doesn't matter."

1. First of all, there may well have been an agreement that Mr. Kenney could request another officer, which would only make sense given their history.

2. If Bruce (you use the familiar form for him so I assume you are personally connected, a reasonable inference) it sure as hell does matter if he was a "bully cop" and all of that because towns get sued for that and Restraining Orders get put in place, damn.

3. May not excuse Liko Kenney's actions, but a municipality should at all times want to keep "bully cops" off of their roster, right? But you don't give a shit.

4. And how do you know Mr. Floyd "learned from his mistakes?" You sound like you're his lover or otherwise all on his jock, when what he did and said to police was worse than Liko Kenney until 11 May, 2007.

5. Remember, Floyd has the most reason to lie about this, and from whence did the idea come that he "parked his car to shield Officer McKay," a virtual impossibility.

6. Last but not least, if you took time to read any of the freaking links I've provided about cover ups, they often take years to uncover, duh.

Refocus and try again, answering each of these 6 points in seriatim while I go hit some tennis balls or take an inline skate, I haven't decided which yet.

But at least I have that choice to make as a free man, free from that bogus Indictment I suffered at the hands of a bully cop whom you probably would have supported.

Namaste.

Christopher King said...

Looks like this Thin Blue Line post has struck a nerve... not that the law enforcement types care to acknowledge it, however.

And I know I really bother them because I have a law enforcement background, they want to call me a traitor so bad they can taste it, then they seem me chillin' with Lieutenant Goulden in KingCast short film "Day in Nashua" and just don't know hot to discredit me except to say that I'm "grandstanding."

As I noted in today's post about Clarence Thomas, I couldn't care less about such ad hominem criticism:

http://christopher-king.blogspot.com/2007/05/kingcast-watches-dubyas-us-supreme.html

Tennis calls,

-c

N. B. Forrest said...

...sure I've lost some cases (but if you look into them the decisions were bullshit)

So in other words, you're always right!!? You've either won or the decision was bullshit! I'd have to try really hard to find a more pompous statement from an attorney, (and pompous statements from attorneys are a dime a dozen.)

...why do you put so much emphasis on Floyd's version of the tragedy?

Where have I ever "put so much emphasis on Floyd's version of the tragedy?" I think the initial version of what happened remains plausible. Nothing you've posted gives me cause to change that opinion.

I bet to you all Civil Rights protests are "grandstanding."

Not at all. There's a time and a place for everything, including realizing that sometimes it simply is what it is. All your anonymous sources and 4th and 5th hand information won't change that.

Christopher King said...

...sure I've lost some cases (but if you look into them the decisions were bullshit)

So in other words, you're always right!!? You've either won or the decision was bullshit! I'd have to try really hard to find a more pompous statement from an attorney, (and pompous statements from attorneys are a dime a dozen.)

......If there's a case you have a question about just ask me. I do recall losing an armed robbery case that went to the Jury but my client, kind of a dimwit, used a toy gun and he was guilty anyway so I guess I didn't count that one. And I lost the Margaret Belcher v. ODHS case, but what I mean by bullshit in that instance was that Judge Marbley refused to give the Jury Instruction that Professor Jacobs and I worked on that said the government may not unduly interfere with one's right to earn a living. Marbley got it twisted and said "The government doesn't have to guarantee her success."

Meanwhile, she had already BEEN successful daycare provider since 1970, but the demographics changed and her clients needed Title XX monies to addend. The government would go years without giving her a damn application, and they also refused to accept her credentials from Margaret Meharry medical college when at the time she went there it was Jim Fucking Crow segregation, and Ohio State University had LONG since accepted Meharry credits.

They were fucking with her, and the Court allowed it. A juror later told me "We wanted to do something for her but we didn't think the choices were applicable."

URGGGHHHH!!!

And her lawyer of 27 years, James Gross, Esq. from the prestigious firm of Vorys, Sater, Seymour & Pease was her lead witness and we worked together on that case in his fucking office.

Later, other Vorys haters you see in KingCast short films "Live Revolution" and "American Lawyer I" would come for my license, calling me unprofessional. Funny, that's now what Jim thought.

So yeah, that's bullshit and James O'Brien's book details some of that.

As I say, you got any other cases I'll run it down to you.
.

...why do you put so much emphasis on Floyd's version of the tragedy?

Where have I ever "put so much emphasis on Floyd's version of the tragedy?" I think the initial version of what happened remains plausible. Nothing you've posted gives me cause to change that opinion.

whose initial version? You saw Caleb's interview where he said Liko Kenney was scared shitless, not a premediated murder. And in fact you HAVE placed undue emphasis on his version because his is the only version being played out.

You ignore the impossibility of him shielding the officer with his car (Officer McKay was still under Liko Kenney's car) and you also ignore these words I said to another poster:

"Obviously, [Lieutenant Goulden from KingCast short film "Day in Nashua"] and I are cool and he knows I'm always professional and respectful of law enforcement, unlike Shooter Floyd, who threatened to give the cops a third eye and grabbed a cop's nuts. The only reason you haven't railed against him is because he killed a cop killer and you know it."


I bet to you all Civil Rights protests are "grandstanding."

Not at all. There's a time and a place for everything, including realizing that sometimes it simply is what it is. All your anonymous sources and 4th and 5th hand information won't change that.

I know. Better to take the word of a guy like Shooter Floyd, who has the most reason to lie and whose past against the police made Liko Kenney's look like play school.

The time and place to protest started the minute NH AG Kelly Ayotte terminated the criminal investigation of Floyd within 24-48 hours and withheld the video. With all due respect, sir, you as the State don't determine when it is "appropriate" to protest, you can only enforce time, place and manner restrictions, none of which have I suggested we run afoul.

Also you forget (or rather, ignore) the fact that there may have been unlawful use of force used by Officer McKay prior to Liko's use of unlawful force, or are you like the guy who wrote in who said:

""If bruce was a bully cop it makes no difference. If Bruce was heard saying he was going "to get" kenney, it makes no difference. Bruce could have been the new age hitler, it doesn't matter.""


....again, to me that shit matters for some reason, probably because it sets a bad tone for police/community relations, as noted in the letter I wrote to Nashua Police Chief Hefferan as NAACP legal chair:

http://christopher-king.blogspot.com/2007/05/kingcast-footnote-to-franconia-tragedy.html

**********

Lastly, you never responded to my response to your statement that the system works. Here again is my response, notwithstanding all of the cases I set forth that note that the system only worked because of protest and/or litigation.

Oh, yeah Forrest:

You may have noted that I added a link I want to ask you about in relation to your statement that "the system works."

It would be the NPR report that notes how Chicago cops used to routinely whup black folks and cover it up:

http://christopher-king.blogspot.com/2006/07/npr-and-kingcast-report-in-chicago.html

And sure enough even a black Olympian Gold Medalist took the wrath. Click on "America's Best."

http://christopher-king.blogspot.com/2006/02/go-shani-go_25.html

How was "the system" working for these victims, Mr. Forrest?


Namaste.

N. B. Forrest said...

Like I said: ... you're always right!!? You've either won or the decision was bullshit!

What's the point of even attempting to have a rational debate when that's your attitude?

I haven't responded about Chicago or any of the other irrelevant incidents you keep harping on and I don't intend to. The ONLY issue here is what did or did not happen on the night of May 11th. I've never said that the "system" hasn't failed people in the past. The ONLY thing that indicates it's not working here is 3rd and 4th hand anonymous speculation.

...Also you forget (or rather, ignore) the fact that there may have been unlawful use of force used by Officer McKay...

There may have been!? More blind speculation, nothing more.

Anonymous said...

1. Check with Franconia PD, but even the Ag said having such an agreement is insane.

2. Yes I knew Bruce. Towns being sued and restraining order being placed is the correct way to handle overbearing police officers, not 4 bullets to the back.

3. No, you are wrong, bully officers are not needed on any department. But, talking big around your friends staing that the next time kenney was pulled over he was going to kill McKay is not the way to address the issue of a bully cop.

4. I never met Floyd until that night. "You sound like you're his lover or otherwise all on his jock" Lets try to have a civil agrument here, I could throw a few names your way but I won't

5. I agreed with your point. Blocking with his vehicle near impossible. But, an unarmed man witnesses a brutal murder, rushes in and picks up a gun and disables the threat, not a common act.

6. I have a family, a career and school, I don't have time to chase after all of your cover ups. If cover ups take years to unravel, There has not even been a month since the brutal murder of Bruce Mckay. Wait longer. All things come to those that wait.

I hope you had fun hitting your balls.

Anonymous said...

CALEB MADE A STATEMENT!!! The state has not been forthcoming with it.

His friends have spoken for him. 2nd hand as you said.

Floyd made a statement. The state was more than happy to bestow us with his statement. hhhmm...2nd hand though really, when you give it some thought.

Now, if I am correct, no one here is stating that they were actually at the scene. If your estimation is that our accounts from people that were at the scene is worthless??? Your must be as well!

Oh yes, yours came second hand from a police officer. That would make it 100% more factual....oh, even third, fourth hand from a police officer beats over an eyewitness.

How silly I would think otherwise.

Iam feeling more and more uncomfortable with LE by the minute.

Blog comments:
"And, Floyd even if it did not play out exactly the way he described it, his retelling of the events must have matched the other eyewitnesses somewhat."

"I think NH's RSAs, state resisting arrest is still considered resisting arrest even if the arresting offense was illegal. So starting off Kenney was in the wrong."

"Damn right they can be. Anyone familiar with criminal proceedings knows that "eye witness" testimony is among the least reliable forms of evidence."

"Eye witnesses can be wrong and normally are wrong."

"If bruce was a bully cop it makes no difference. If Bruce was heard saying he was going "to get" kenney, it makes no difference. Bruce could have been the new age hitler, it doesn't matter."

"But, talking big around your friends staing that the next time kenney was pulled over he was going to kill McKay is not the way to address the issue of a bully cop."

.....now , were you THERE? Is this first hand info? If you can't believe Liko told his friends he was terrified of McKay killing him and you can't believe Caleb's account on that night, what makes your "source" that told you Liko told a friend that told a friend......?

Who actually believes that if Liko or anyone else filed an actual complaint against McKay, they would get any thing more than more harassment? The Police Chief was the sole person that determined if any complaint was worthy of investigation and I doubt it was kept from McKay. He is the one that let McKay get away with the things he did.

Anonymous said...

"If Frogs had wings they wouldn't bump their ass when they hopped"
""If bruce was a bully cop it makes no difference. If Bruce was heard saying he was going "to get" kenney, it makes no difference. Bruce could have been the new age hitler, it doesn't matter.""

Look at the key word IF

"If" blind speculation.
What isn't speculation is the fact kenney murdered Mckay in cold blood and then brutally ran him down and then backed up and ran him over again.

but, lets start a witch hunt on mere speculation and 2nd, 3rd and 4th hand knowledge. Let the dead have their peace.

Anonymous said...

9:58 pm

I can give you names of people that heard kenney state his intentions with Bruce McKay, note the word, not name, but names.

Here is a conspiracy theory for you all. Macauley was there in the vehicle with kenney. Should macauley be in some way culpable. He could have acted to prevent kenney from running over Bruce. But, Macauley is a free man.

Ask him if he ever heard kenny say anything about killing McKay. He was his best friend, "they were going to Oregon to raise chickens and sell the eggs".

So for the police to have released him it would be fair to say he gave an statement and it matched what Floyd said, or one or both would be in jail now.

Christopher King said...

First of all, I will be in Franconia soon and I will probably have my notary seal with me. Then we will have some sworn statements about some of this situation and the players involved.

http://christopher-king.blogspot.com/2007/05/kingcast-presents-invitation-to.html

************

Next, I will respond to NB Forrest:

Like I said: ... you're always right!!? You've either won or the decision was bullshit!

What's the point of even attempting to have a rational debate when that's your attitude?

.......so first you indirectly attack my backgrond, I provide you with reasons and a thorough explanation why I lost the case that meant the most to me to lose and you didn't respond to any of it. I even asked you if you had any other cases for me to explain, but you passed. Nice.

I haven't responded about Chicago or any of the other irrelevant incidents you keep harping on and I don't intend to. The ONLY issue here is what did or did not happen on the night of May 11th. I've never said that the "system" hasn't failed people in the past. The ONLY thing that indicates it's not working here is 3rd and 4th hand anonymous speculation.

.......First of all, those cases are not irrelevant, especially not the ones involving the same AAG involved in this case. Second, what you fail to see is the the reports that you are taking as accurate are worth just about the same; they all come filtered through the police and are hearsay. You know damn well that Caleb MaCauly issued a statement but they sure haven't been trumpeting his version around too much, have they? Wonder why. THINK Forrest, think. Damn.

Also you forget (or rather, ignore) the fact that there may have been unlawful use of force used by Officer McKay...

There may have been!? More blind speculation, nothing more.

........Sure would help if we could see a video, huh? But then you wouldn't even sign a petition as a member of the public to request the video so that we can understand more about policing and help put these men's souls and the conscience of the community at rest.


************

Next I will respond to the officer at 8:32:

1. Check with Franconia PD, but even the AG said having such an agreement is insane.

..........Really? I've lived in small towns in the South during the summer and I could totally see that. Besides, the AG's track record against me in matters involving the police is shaky at best, remember?

2. Yes I knew Bruce. Towns being sued and restraining order being placed is the correct way to handle overbearing police officers, not 4 bullets to the back.

.......Well again I'm all about good police relations as you may have read in my letter from the NAACP to Nashua Chief Hefferan:

http://christopher-king.blogspot.com/2007/05/kingcast-footnote-to-franconia-tragedy.html

.....and I will direct you to 9:58's comment:

"Who actually believes that if Liko or anyone else filed an actual complaint against McKay, they would get any thing more than more harassment? The Police Chief was the sole person that determined if any complaint was worthy of investigation and I doubt it was kept from McKay. He is the one that let McKay get away with the things he did."

[Editor: Dig that]

3. No, you are wrong, bully officers are not needed on any department. But, talking big around your friends staing that the next time kenney was pulled over he was going to kill McKay is not the way to address the issue of a bully cop.

......See above. And that would be total hearsay, correct?

4. I never met Floyd until that night. "You sound like you're his lover or otherwise all on his jock" Lets try to have a civil agrument here, I could throw a few names your way but I won't.

...........Fair enough, but you and I both know that the men in blue wouldn't have been so quick to give him a pass with his wildly antagonistic attitude towar the police, including actions and attitudes manifest as a grown, 40 year-old man less than 10 years ago if he hadn't killed a cop killer.

5. I agreed with your point. Blocking with his vehicle near impossible. But, an unarmed man witnesses a brutal murder, rushes in and picks up a gun and disables the threat, not a common act.

........How do you know there was still a threat. Were you an eyewitness, no. And if

6. I have a family, a career and school, I don't have time to chase after all of your cover ups. If cover ups take years to unravel, There has not even been a month since the brutal murder of Bruce Mckay. Wait longer. All things come to those that wait.

.........You've got your things to do and I have mine. I didn't do the family thing but I've cerainly done school and career, lots of both. Anyway, without pressure from the community and people like me, cover ups never get exposed. And the killing of Officer McKay may have been brutal and may have constituted murder, but it doesn't obviate us from scrutinizing his actions, on that evening either, and getting the community to feel free to complain, because believe me there were a lot of people who wanted to complain about Officer McKay.

I hope you had fun hitting your balls.

.........Actually I inline skated and watched the Cavs beat the Pistons:

http://christopher-king.blogspot.com/2007/05/kingcast-says-go-cavs.html

........But I always have fun when I hit my balls.


************

And to 10:06

You know, isn't it entirely possible that Officer McKay rammed Mr. Kenney's car with his truck, blocking him in, then as Kenney went to back up to leave he inadvertently ran over Officer McKay, who had staggered toward the back of his car?

I'm not going to say that Kenney was justified in shooting McKay.

What I am going to say is that we really need to find out what happened, because I don't agree with your opinion that "the dead should rest" -- at least not until we understand what really happened because, again, I don't believe the souls of these men, or of the community can rest until we know more.

And that is precisely why some of the community has invited me to visit, so I shall.

Namaste.

Anonymous said...

ABSOLUTE BLIND SPECULATION, BUD!!!!


"What isn't speculation is the fact kenney murdered Mckay in cold blood and then brutally ran him down and then backed up and ran him over again."

Christopher King said...

6:39:

Dig it. That's total hearsay.

But here's what's not, Officer Forrest's own words used against him:

http://christopher-king.blogspot.com/2007/05/kingcast-presents-thin-blue-line-part.html

Check it out. He promises one thing, then starts wiggin' when the shit hits the fan.

-c

Anonymous said...

"He was his best friend, "they were going to Oregon to raise chickens and sell the eggs"."


This is obviously meant to be derogatory. Do you eat eggs?

I bet some worthless person is packaging them for you right now.



"I can give you names of people that heard kenney state his intentions with Bruce McKay, note the word, not name, but names."

There are just as many people with NAMES that will tell you that Liko Kenney told them he was afraid for his life in regards to McKay.

As someone made reference on another forum, "McKay having an attitude of a cat toying with a mouse."

And what I am hearing here is that it makes no difference what kind of cop McKay was and even if something was illegal it's okay, beyond pathetic.

The problem I have is the fact that someone like McKay is able to remain in LE and get away with the crap he did to people because others didn't see him do it or it fits under the umbrella of the law.

Liko was the perfect candidate was he not? McKay could push every button and get Liko to dance to his song so he could feel like the "Big Cop" and he was certain to win every time because Liko was reactive and defiant. McKay's game got out of control as we can all see.

No, I do not think it is okay that Liko killed McKay and I don't think Floyd's action are okay either.

It is pure speculation to say that Liko told Caleb anything of the sort about shooting McKay. I can tell you for a FACT that he did not. I can tell you for a FACT that Liko was terrified of McKay and was barricading his door at night before he was able to sleep.

Lifer said...

Let's presume for a minute that the second hand (or is it third hand) information presented here that Kenney did threaten McKay and that that threat was credible as we're being lead to believe.

Wouldn't that make McKay want to approach Kenney with a backup, even before he was pulled over the first time? Was there a call by McKay to request backup BEFORE the FIRST stop? Wouldn't proper police procedure, given the alleged threat, be concern for officer's well-being over all else? Why would McKay pull Kenney over not once, but twice, the second time in a show of bravado and obvious lack of concern for his safety or the safety of others? Why approach a vehicle alone, and mace the driver, if he was presumed to be a threat?

The threat, if it is to be believed, must have not been a concern to McKay...or are his actions on 5/11 just typical of McKay's John Wayne approach to law enforcement. That badge made him larger than life...or so he thought. I submit this was McKay being McKay; mace now, ask questions later.

If the threat is real, I ask the law enforcement posters (N B Forrest and Officer Peters) to explain why an officer would behave so blatently cavalier under these circumstances? Was he not knowingly and unreasonably putting himself in harms way?

This was a routine traffic stop, and even the disobeying an officer charge by fleeing doesn't warrent endangering your life. That's what radios and backup are for.

Or are these allegations just another attempt to slander Kenney and provide smoke for a cover-up?

Something does not make sense here.

Christopher King said...

No, it doesn't add up and the longer the video stay in a time capsule the worse it gets.

And as I noted above:

http://christopher-king.blogspot.com/2007/05/kingcast-presents-thin-blue-line-part.html

.......having law enforcement officers who don't have their facts straight, or who contradict their own statements does not help.

This will be my first visit to the Notch in the off-season:

http://christopher-king.blogspot.com/2007/05/kingcast-presents-invitation-to.html

And I look forward to it, even under these circumstances.

Peace and Love,

-c

Anonymous said...

Is Caleb McAulay safe from harassment by local PD?

Anonymous said...

PO's,

What would be the proper and legal way to deal with local police harassment. You make reference to the fact that Liko should have taken legal means if he felt he was being harassed.

WHAT EXACTLY WOULD THE LEGAL STEPS BE IF A PERSON FELT HARASSED BY THE LOCAL PD?

Christopher King said...

You file a complaint that typically goes nowhere, as witnessed by the Jerry Doyle/Charles McFadden fiasco.

That's why there needs to be a citizen board to collectively voice complaints, concerns or to award compliments as necessary.

There is strength in numbers.

Gone to work,

Peace.

Anonymous said...

Liko was sexually harassed by McKay. And yes, he did try and barricade his door every night, fearful of McKay.

This happened in the front lawn of my boyfriend's father's house. There are several bullet holes in his barn, which seems nearly impossible if there were only the 5 reported shots (4 into McKay, 1 into Liko).

Also, I want to know how Floyd got McKay's gun. It makes so sense to me, as there are 3 different manuvers a cop has to make to release his gun from it's holster. Also, why would Floyd take the time to get under Liko's car and look for the gun?? This sounds crazy to me. It smells...fishy.

Also, my boyfriend's father recalled that McKay was RAMMING Liko's car with his own (Whatever that was for) so hard that the rocks they were kicking up from the side of the road were hitting the house which is about 30+ feet off of the road.

Did anyone ever check McKay's hand for gunpowder residue? Of course not, right?

I also know a lot of "names" and a lot of "info." The fucking cops in the whites are assholes with nothing better to do then to find a kid and harass him/her. It's like a hobby up there. I lived in plymouth/lincoln/franconia for years during and after college. I am now living in Boston and what. a. difference. Last 4th of July I was arrested and beaten to the ground by 5 Lincoln police (I was a 23 year old girl, 125 lbs) for complaining about the war and firework pollution.

My boyfriend had cops staking out in his driveway for years after being busted for 2 bags of weed.

It's twisted. It's fucked and it's about time these assholes get caught with their pants down (literally).... LITERALLY.

Anonymous said...

Liko was shot at least three times in the chest and then shot in the head. This was not through the open window on his side of the car but through the closed window on Caleb's side. If Caleb didn't duck he would have been killed by Floyd. Thank God for Cam coming along because Floyd was itching to blow Caleb away too, trying to make him pick up the gun he just blew Liko away for holding.

Jennifer said...

wait. CAM? like, wheelchair CAM?

Jennifer said...

... YES! I heard that too, about how someone was demanding that Caleb pick up the gun that killed Liko. But I thought it was an officer. It makes more sense for it to have been Floyd, though.

Ja-EE-zus.

Anonymous said...

Yup, That's the Cam I mean. Floyd ordered Caleb to pick up the gun. Caleb said no and rolled out on the ground while an out of his mind crazed Floyd shot bullets around his body while he was curled up. That is when Cam came upon the scene.

By the way, it was in the paper that Floyd has a police scanner. Casual passer-by? Makes you wonder, doesn't it?

Christopher King said...

As I say, I look forward to seeing the full, unedited video, and I will be available with my notary seal if folks want to issue a sworn statement.

I'm not going to say publicly where I'll be, however it should be passing along through the network.

In a sense I hope it all plays out as the State says, because then we have closure. But somehow, I doubt it.

Good thing that other journalists joined me in requesting the video.

There will be a public statement from the AG's office on the 4th regarding the video and other matters of public concern.

Stay tuned.

Love and Peace.

-c

Anonymous said...

Do you doubt it will play out like the AG stated or will help the healing? I you don't think it will help in the healing why push to have it viewed?
The media joined you? I think the media's request was out there first and you just hopped on the bandwagon.

Anonymous said...

I have been watching and reading everything daily.......

Only the Concord Monitor requested the video and the Editor took such flack he went on youtube with a statement to explain his actions in his request. He had to defend his right to report and seek the truth as he was accused of trying to sell more papers through sensationalism.

The same statement was addressed in the Monitor when readers wrote in and were not only outraged that it was requested by the paper but people were outraged that they even printed Floyd's history. One person canceled their subscription. This is the defiance of some people to even want to know the truth.

Chris King's asking was simultaneous to The Concord Monitor and he made a hell of a lot more noise than anyone else about it.
Others joined later. The more voices, the better otherwise you are kicked to the curb.

Who is on the witch hunt here? All these things being brought up on Chris's character is how the media as well as PD go about systematically discrediting and discounting people that go against the status quo.

It happens everyday. We haven't even touched on McKay's personal woes. The way he treated the people he "most loved". Shall we go there too since we are judging "chicken farmers"?

Maybe we should take a look at Officer Forrest's background along with Officer Peter's because you guys say scary stuff about ignoring the behavior of other cops with your big "IF's". If we ask, "was he?", we get "unsubstantiated, legal even if illegal, etc."

Who are you guys anyway? Do you actually want to stand up for rogue cops that take your profession down? One must wonder about your own conduct.

This is how it is done, yes? I just keep picking and picking, chipping away at your character until I turn you into a cartoon nut case or worse yet, not fit to exist on the planet.

Christopher King said...

Do you doubt it will play out like the AG stated or will help the healing?

......You can't have healing until you know the Truth, and frankly, the way this case was handled from the beginning the AG's office sowed the seeds of doubt, you bet.

I you don't think it will help in the healing why push to have it viewed?

.......See above.

The media joined you? I think the media's request was out there first and you just hopped on the bandwagon.

.......That's nitpicking. If you look at the timing some of their requests were perhaps a day before my email to NH AG Ayotte, so I had no idea they were actually going to do anything.

*******

Thu, 24 May 2007 10:18:58 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Christopher King" kingjurisdoctor@yahoo.com
Subject: Urgent letter requests police video on Franconia Notch shooting tragedy.

Count 14 days from the 24th and you come up with the 6th, instead of the 4th, so some responsible media -- and we won't know yet who it was, because Attorney Strelzin didn't tell me on the phone yesterday -- beat me to the punch by two (2) days. Good for them. It's their job, I'm just a citizen concerned about open government, again changing policy in my spare time as noted herein:

http://christopher-king.blogspot.com/2007/05/kingcast-says-31-march-2007-looms-large.html

***********

......Right from the get-go I was all over this case; I started asking questions on 12 May, the day after it happened in my first post:

http://christopher-king.blogspot.com/2007/05/kingcast-notes-that-second-nh-police.html

......Which in turn was written the day after I had agreed with Attorney Ayotte on the data mining case with poster boy Rush Limbaugh:

http://christopher-king.blogspot.com/2007/05/rush-limbaugh-agrees-that-oxycontin.html

I hope that assuages your fears that I'm just riding the bandwagon. Apparently most locals aren't too worried as you've seen their support and Liko's friends have invited me up there.

We shall see.

Have a blessed day, my brother/sister.

-c

Christopher King said...

Dear 5:20:

Your post was going up as a sent my reply, but I want to thank you for exposing the truth about how dissidents are really treated in America.

"Chris King's asking was simultaneous to The Concord Monitor and he made a hell of a lot more noise than anyone else about it.
Others joined later. The more voices, the better otherwise you are kicked to the curb.

Who is on the witch hunt here? All these things being brought up on Chris's character is how the media as well as PD go about systematically discrediting and discounting people that go against the status quo.

It happens everyday. We haven't even touched on McKay's personal woes. The way he treated the people he "most loved". Shall we go there too since we are judging "chicken farmers"?"

[King says "I know he is divorced and there have been some serious allegations made about his conduct in his first marriage. Have I gone there? Nope]


Not that my Jewish brothers haven't said so already, including a tenured law professor and one of Cleveland's best attorneys for whom I worked:

http://christopher-king.blogspot.com/2005/12/incredible-comments-from-my-jewish.html

http://christopher-king.blogspot.com/2006/01/preamble-to-american-lawyer-1.html

That's why I wrote today's salty piece:

http://christopher-king.blogspot.com/2007/05/kingcast-and-major-media-secure.html

-c

Jennifer said...

Something is definately up here.

A few years ago a girl from the Franconia area dissappeared. her last correspondance was with floyd's son.

Then there is Liko and McKay and Floyd.

NOW, (lastnight, I belive) Woodstock's finest officers, CATHY BRUNELL (sp?) got shit-faced loaded and blew her head off. She helped arrest me, once. I'd call her a "C".... a real piece of work.

Does this seem at all strange?

We shall see I guess.....

Anonymous said...

Jennifer,

Do tell? What is the connection? Why would she off herself?

jennifer said...

annon:

the connection? i am not yet completely sure... it just seems too tightly knit if you ask me. the connection is just speculation... but has been made independendly by at least 3 different people i know....

i'll start with this first:

i think that floyd and mckay had a more intimate past than we know about... i'm not quite sure. it just seems sketchy to me that this info about floyd's son being the last person this missing girl had been in contact with is just coming out now. was he not a suspect? and why not? did floyd have a favor done for him by any police officers in the area? and in turn was floyd in any certain police officer's debt in any way?

it seems strange to me that floyd, just by chance, would have been so close to the scene...

it seems like there was an agenda. why didnt mckay call for backup? (esp. if he felt so threatened that he used pepper spray)...was FLOYD mckay's backup?

this is mere specualtion. all of it, so please dont hold me accountable for anything, as i am not dubbing any of this fact. im just trying to piece it together with people who actually care about this stuff too.

....

perhaps back on topic about the woodstock officer (ha)... im not sure if there is a connection.

but think about it:

WHY would an officer want to kill themselves?

i feel that an officer who would blow their brains out (whilst a huge investigation on a member of a force not far away was underway) has to be hiding something they couldnt any longer... or was at least afraid to be ratted out...

am i crazy to assume this? possibly.

i just know that she was as bad as mckay. i mean, she would be the cop i would have volunteered as being the shittiest cop in the lincoln/woodstock area; and im not just saying this out of convenience...


i want to sum this up. i want to just spew out the most ultimate speculation... i want to assume what my gut is telling me... with all that ive seen and all the knowledge ive acquired:

and im just going to say it:

the police are involved in some sort of kiddie porn scandal? something to do with kids??

it's fucked. i know. and you can all hate me for saying so.

ha. how much credibility did i just lose?

Anonymous said...

Wow! Anything is possible. What about running weapons? Has that crossed your mind?

It does seem strange that Murray accused the PD of refusing to investigate their missing daughter. The PD said they thought she left on her own but then the fam fought for 2 years to be able to see the police file on their own daughter.

Why wouldn't they give them the info?

Anonymous said...

Is it heresay or do you know from a close source that Floyd's son had email contact with Maura Murray? Not a challenge just curious.

jennifer said...

i've heard it from my boyfriend's mother who is best friends with a very very credible source.

why? what's on your mind?

Anonymous said...

I had heard the same thing but farther removed than you are saying so I wanted greater confirmation.

Do you know when the Floyd's moved to NH? I have to research something before I say more.

I certainly hope your parents made statements and pointed out the bullet holes in the barn and yes I agree with your thoughts about the gun. Did McKay have the gun out when he approached with the pepper spray?

Rumor, but it has been said that Floyd had been at the store down the road. Liko had a routine because of his new job so it was reasonable to expect to find him. McKay pulled him over in a wooded section. Floyd would have traveled that route home.

Christopher King said...

Definitely some strange brew being made. I'm not saying all of it is part of the same distinct puzzle, but I bet some of it is.

I set up an entry on this, but cannot find a single news story on it:

http://christopher-king.blogspot.com/2007/06/kingcast-asks-will-wmur-cover-apparent.html

Peace.

Christopher King said...

Oh, and remember that Floyd got those pending criminal threatening charges mysteriously dropped a while back, too.

http://christopher-king.blogspot.com/2007/05/kingcast-stands-aghast-as-he-reads.html

Hmmmmm.....

NH-Nemesis said...

7:53,

From a May 15 article in the Union Leader:

"Authorities searched Floyd's cabin exactly 10 years ago this week after neighbors told then-chief Every they thought Floyd was discharging "fully automatic weapons" on his property, according to documents on file in Littleton District Court...

"Floyd and his wife, Michelle, had moved to the area from Townsend, Mass., about six months before that."

HTH

Anonymous said...

Thank you. I discovered that today. I didn't know he had lived in Mass prior to NH. Anybody know when he moved from Georgia?

NH-Nemesis said...

2:02,

Nothing solid—I'm wondering if this is a typo, but I'll post it anyway, FWIW:

From the article cited in my last comment:

"Also in June 1997, Floyd was charged with, and later indicted for, being a felon in possession of weapons, after a records search in Georgia turned up a 1981 felony conviction for selling marijuana.

"Those charges were dismissed after Floyd's attorney, Gerry Boyle, successfully argued that the Georgia conviction would not have constituted a felony in New Hampshire in 1981."

But in this May 15 Concord Monitor article:

"Upon further checking, the police learned that Floyd's 1991 drug arrest in Georgia was a felony level offense. That, the state police concluded, meant Floyd could not legally own guns in New Hampshire. In June 1997, the state police added a second charge against Floyd: being a felon in possession of firearms...

"And the gun charges were dismissed after Floyd's lawyer, Gerard Boyle, now a Concord District Court judge, showed the court that the drug charges that were felonies in Georgia only counted as misdemeanors in New Hampshire."

OK... since it's not clear whether it was '81 or '91... I figure that since the Monitor's going after the cruiser data, it's possible that Ms. Timmons would be able to clear up the conflicting dates and answer the Georgia question for you. Her contact information's listed at the bottom of the article linked above.

Something else from that article... I hadn't realized Floyd's son was on the scene, too.

This is such a shame, all the way around... HTH. You're in my thoughts, Franconia.

NH-Nemesis said...

Anon 5:20 AM (or anyone, really),

Would appreciate help finding this, I'm not having any luck:

"Only the Concord Monitor requested the video and the Editor took such flack he went on youtube with a statement to explain his actions in his request. He had to defend his right to report and seek the truth as he was accused of trying to sell more papers through sensationalism."

Thanks much.

Christopher King said...

Hey 2:02:

I took a ride past his place last night and it's huge. Let's ask him how he got his money.

I think I know :)

Anonymous said...

The missing links?

Patric McCarthy found dead Oct 17 2003 at the Village of Loon in Lincoln, NH

four months later Maura Murry missing on Rt 122 on feb 9th 2004.

Cathy Burelle found dead two days ago

McKay.. dead what did Liko Kenny Know?

Corrections officer Douglas Tower jailed for raping inmate...

George Nugent 57 Just up the road from Woodstock lived in Whitefield>>> kidnapping and child sex crimes recently convicted.

At lot of strange activity for the White mountain area... In fact way too much.. what is going one here?

We need answers and not cover ups.

The feds need to investigate the possible links to the incidents Now!

Charles Duffy

jennifer said...

reading blogs. im sure you are too.


-MULTIPLE BODY CAVITY SEARCHES?!?!


i would have killed the bastard too.

Liko's fateful day must have been beautiful for him.

NH-Nemesis said...

Mr. Duffy:

They knew about Tower long before he raped someone—he was sued for sexual harassment (settled out of court for attorney's fees) not so far north... disgusting, disgusting man.

Anonymous said...

nh-nemisis,

I think I was reading the letters to the editor on their website and his written response was on it and a link to youtube from there.

If you don't find it there, post again and i will search for it.

Anonymous said...

Charles,

I agree that there is something very, very wrong going on and some of LE is linked into it so it is being covered up.

Do you know any of the links between these people? or just stating numerous strange things?

The female cop supposedly killed herself. Do you think she was suicided? I believe it is Jennifer on this post that said she was the female version of McKay.

jennifer said...

she was the female version of mckay in that she was a mega bully. i dont know anything further than that. im not trying to fill this blog with empty facts... i dont know if she sexually abused anyone like mckay, but i know that she was one of the most hated officers in the lincoln/woodstock area...

peace.

Anonymous said...

Jennifer,

I understood what you meant. You said she was a bully and mean to people. I took it as you meant it.

Didn't intend to give any other impression.

What do you think about the post that said she has a terminal illness?

I think we all know how twisted things are at this point and possibly far worse than anyone knew so there is a sense of leaving no stone unturned. If it isn't relevant then it is easily discarded and in reality will bring us one step closer to the truth.

Anonymous said...

As for the death of The Woodstock officer it's timing is odd based on the recent events..as someone stated back in this post. This is Interesting indeed.

If it was suicide, then she couldn't live with something she knew or she knew to much and was silenced.

I know the area of Linclon woodstock and francoina very well. I have a sense of what goes on in those parts and this is my gut feeling what went on was a cover up.

I have ben arrested about five times in Lincoln/Woodstock. I would be a credible witness to corrupt ways they do business and deal with
lawbreakers such as myself. I can assure you the law in these parts has a different meaning.. They even told me this with my dealings with them : "we do things up here differently" As if I was in a different county.

Such a nice comment coming from so called professionals in the USA.

The stupid bastard cops even asked if I worked for the CIA. I wonder why they would even think this. But I will tell you, I have my ways of finding out.

Due to The social demographics of the area one becomes a product of their environment.

My mouth will be there worst advertisement I can assure you.

It takes a tragedy for the shit to come out and hit the fan.
Liko kenny was a victim of what this world is coming to. Law enforcement abuse, and loss of freedoms. You and I are now just a number.

The Tree of Liberty from time to time must be watered with the bloodshed of a few to maintain our freedoms..
Charles Gavan Duffy

Christopher King said...

Jennifer:

I need more facts or a contact on the last known person statement you made. You can hit me up offline ASAP.

kingjurisdoctor@yahoo.com

Heh, established that email address through an agreement with Kelly Ayotte's officer ironically.

*********

I too, believe that Liko was a victim but I also believe that the system failed Officer McKay too, except I feel very little or no pity for McKay, especially after hearing the things I've heard from clearly rational people.

I look forward to rappin'.

Peace.

Anonymous said...

Yes, the system did fail McKay as well. If someone would have called him on things years ago, he may have learned to be a great cop. Sadly, it seems everyone turned their backs on him, pretending not to see what he was doing.

Christopher King said...

Anyone notice that Forrest never answered the question?

I gave another mouth-breathing cop an intellectual smack-down just yesterday for his ignorant comments over at the WMUR forums, check it out:

http://christopher-king.blogspot.com/2007/06/kingcast-cease-and-desist-letter-to.html

They yanked his post.

Reminds me of the MASSCops who called me a criminal and the NAACP the "National Association of Asshole-Colored People."

http://christopher-king.blogspot.com/2007/05/kingcast-video-of-day-masscops-rag-on.html

Except they removed that from their own blog themselves after I outed them on mine.

Nice.