22 May 2007

KingCast, Concord Monitor and anonymous say on the Franconia shooting tragedy: Don't play politics with dead kids and fallen police officers.

Here's the money editorial from the Concord Monitor noting that the public has a right to view the police tapes in their entirety. Here's the money quote from a comment to the post that asks whether Officer McKay (RIP) ever called for a backup:
"Where's the extensive video debriefing of the shooter, his kid, the kid in the car with kenney at the time of the shooting...where is the result of all this careful questioning? did it take place in the first regard?"

I have produced the entire comment in the comments section herein. Now in a post from this morning I ask the unthinkable (at least by mainstream media): What if Liko Kenney was not speeding in the first place? That would change the complexion of this case 180 degrees, because then you have a kid scared shitless who was pulled over for no legitimate reason, rammed off the road and pepper-sprayed by a cop with whom he had tussled on prior occasion and got his head knocked in a bit. Then the cop turns his back and walks away with a swagger.... to do what, exactly I'm sure Mr. Kenney wondered. If it happened that way how many of us can honestly say we might not want to off that cop, too? And remember, I say this as a former AAG who has successfully sued and represented police officers. Let's open a real investigation to clarify things for the sake of the souls of each man and their respective families and the community-at-large.

I'll say it again: The black box of Officer McKay’s car would likely tell us how fast he was or was not going prior to ramming Mr. Kenney’s car off the road. As a car enthusiast, I know that much.

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As I've pointed out in the KingCast videos and in this blawg, if anyone knows about lying, hateful cops in New Hampshire, it would be me: A bad cop (Jaffrey Chief Dunn), with whom NH AG Kelly Ayotte had aligned against former Jaffrey officer Aaron Deboisbriand and me -- losing in each instance -- and a nasty prosecutor made me into a villian and I kicked their ever-loving asses for it. My life hasn't been made any easier but I'll survive and even persevere because I come from Good Stock and I've got Good Friends.

Related post: This forehand's for you, Liko.

Namaste.

18 comments:

Christopher King said...

Law Enforcement is about enforcing the laws. There are four tenants for a legally 'justified homicide,' and zero evidence revealed to show any of those tenants had been satisfied.

Even a rookie detective aspirant in community college if considering a a wide-ranging tragedy as this would know detective 101 procedures...

1. release the video tape in total, with time-line and transcript. If it's been edited, prepare for jail.

2. release radio, scanner and personal phone call records from all involved parties, starting a day or two prior to the incident.

3. arrest the shooter (already sadly way past due); he'd have full presumption of innocence, but must be interviwed in detail and on tape and in great detail. He is an ex-con with a felony rap sheet.

(The 'heroic' passerby has a conviction for assaulting and threatening officers, and others, always informing them of his sharpshooter status as an ex-marine, and suggesting that he could provide easily provide "a third eye" to any officers responding to a report that he had threatened a meter reader with death...there's your semper fi 'passerby' hero convict...

Gosh, D.A. St. Hillaire didn't go into any of that, did he? or Attorney General Ayotte...
why don't the just fly to the Caribbean if they're not going to their jobs...then they'd come back relaxed and refreshed and could maybe remember respect for law enforcement.

Did the shooter have a scanner with him in his truck? if so, why? etc..etc...

where's the extensive video debriefing of the shooter, his kid, the kid in the car with kenney at the time of the shooting...where is the result of all this careful questioning? did it take place in the first regard?

[.....guess we'll never know without a lawsuit, but then the system would blame the Kenney family for filing one, even though the State failed them and the taxpayers in a violent dereliction of duty.]

Where's the telephonic and scanner evidence, or lack of same, and why?
we need an actual detective on this job but no one seems to respect law enforcement, despite the solemn parades...

4. Attorney General Ayotte's refusal to come through on a promised "thorough investigation" reveals her to have an inherent disrepect for law enforcement.

It is sad to see law enforcement and 'prosecutorial communities' come together in such solidarity if it means obfuscating a tragedy, refusing to investigate and report as is their job as public servants...i'm talking about "report"...
the public dosen't need a summation by career politicians, they need the facts released, which they have paid for and have a right to, and then we'll go from there...

The truth has it's own power and will make these villages safer and even sweeter places for the residents and the resident/officals...
unfortuantely, it will now take agressive lawsuit actions against the figureheads who are preventing the law from being enforced, and that they do so in the name of law enforcement shows, if not their incompetency, then their unwillingness to respect the law. They can't be that ignorant of it.

So it's politics. Don't play politics with dead kids and fallen police officers...

This sloppy and unacceptable case management is an embarassment to professional law enforcement officers, detectives and first responders of all kinds.
Ayotte made this a political coverup the same night of the incident.

I respect law enforcement, even if new hampshire law enforcement authorities don't want to get anywhere near it...
so there have been a lot of funerals last week up thereyah huh??

And a convict shooter walks free; where's his police interview, where are the facts and the tape so things can be juxtaposed against each other in a timeline and facts can be revealed?
Or isn't that important.


It's only laws.
Which need to be enforced.
But they are not...
nor even investigated as properly as someone coming out of junior college aspiring to law or police work would...

Ayotte's political career is over. So is St. Hillaire's...that's what you get for not respecting law enforcement...more to be revealed...and to come to light...

with the exception of the concord monitor and boston now, the press are just eating the spin...and there is a double tragedy, and a rug to sweep things under, and the rug installers are your attorney general and your prosector...

Parades of police solidarity at the funeral were appropriate and a deep expression of understandable support and sadness...respect for the families in these heartbreaking personal tragic circumstances, so deeply inherent in each affected family and family of friends...

But what about the law, and law enforcement, and proper investigations by experienced and mature detectives who care about the truth...

that's not forthcoming...
and among the tens of thousands clever, caring and committed law enforcement professionals in the country, it's only a matter of time before someone shows an actual love and respect for the actual law...
one would hope.

The press, as usual, sells whatever spin it's fed, as well it did in 2003 as we were fighting a war against a terrible threat that did not exist, a terrible time of fear mongering and disinformation in out culture...right about the time Kenney was smashed in his face while being detained and shackled, tho that's your a historical reference, I see no direct connection, just thinking back to the incidents that lit the long fuse...and so it goes.

So as for press coverages of this incident, well, that's why the press has become so increasingly irrelevant and has lost circulation hugely; because it's a joke full of lies for the most part...that's why the 'people' are the Time Magazine person of the year...the bloggers, etc...
Ayotte can't sweep this away, but her giddy political aspirations are in serious question now...what a thing to sacrifice your career on, a cover-up, when one was never necessary...she has thrown her credibility away.

Why dosen't New Hampshire Law Enforcement care about enforcing the law? What are they afraid of? Truth? That's the message the youth, and all other ages of New Hampshire residents are getting, subliminally and overtly, and there will be a critical mass, and soon.

The bedrock of our justice system? Truth. Law. A lady of fairness with blinders and a scale...not a lady with tv camera in her face posturing as she erases an investigation as she calls promises one in true Orwellian manner.

Ayotte's actions move past ironic, past absurd, and all the way into criminal cover-up perhaps?
Someone will investigate.

[....don't bet on it.]

either in the department or outside of it..
and someone will report.
Too bad it's not the people who are being paid to do so...to protect and serve the communities...to be a shining bastion of blind justice...to be together, as Americans, under rule of law and the mercy of God and the courts. Not in New Hampshire...

That's not the way they do it in New Hampshire. And the nation knows. and more will be revealed. And those in authority who did not do their jobs, will be exposed as well. Why? Because the law is precious. And law enforcement is important. And we demand it. Or we are a lawless society.

Too many unanswered questions...Why are they afraid of questions? Why won't they ask them? Why are they keeping the evidence out of the publics hands? Why is a convicted police assaulter with a house full of guns and a violent histroy sitting free in his cabin or driving around free in his truck...

What of the four provision of 'justified homicide' did he satisfy? Prove it. It's all going to come out; these politicians learn nothing. And their coverups ALWAYS bring them down...
without the spin, without the posturing and misrepresentations, this was still a clear and a heartbreaking tragedy to all concerned in the North Country.

Those villages didn't need a politician from a hundred miles away to come up into the mountains and assure that for generations to come, generations of citizens will know that push come to shove, the law will not be respected or enforced, but selectively used in the protection of obfuscations, spin and cynical lack of respect for the law, their jobs, or their sworn responsibilities...

So let's start with the 'justifiable homicide' laws, and get all the investigatory materials, and Ayotte, St. Hillare et al...you played politics with the law and you are going to lose your careers in the next elections...(either that or cynically campaign as 'strong on law'...and tout these illegal, immoral and imcompetent lack of investigations, to spin their way into greater power. And care nothing of the law, or the buried residents of our towns last week...except as political tools...Law Enforcement in New Hamshire deserved better. And so do the residents who emply them to protect and serve the communities.

Now Ms. Ayotte, Mr. St. Hillaire, and various police departments in those towns...you are on trial.

Because the law counts.

And law enforcement is important. And you are the last people we are supposed to be reminding of this.

N. B. Forrest said...

arrest the shooter (already sadly way past due)

Hmmm? Maybe it's the illustrious former attorney who needs a lesson in "detective 101".

You arrest people when there is probable cause to believe that they've committed a crime. Coming to the aid of a police officer and defending yourself or a third person isn't a crime. Moreover, Mr. Floyd isn't going anywhere and can be interviewed any time if there is any need to investigate any further. There is absolutely NO reason to arrest him.

Now of course if the police came and arrested you under exactly the same circumstances it would just be another example of the big law enforcement conspiracy to stomp on your rights. But, since you've already decided the right and wrong of this case you can sit back and preach about what should have been done. Really amazing.

Did the shooter have a scanner with him in his truck? if so, why?

Is this just blind speculation on your part? Even if he did, is it illegal in NH to have a scanner in your truck? Of course once again, if you had a scanner in your car and someone wanted to know why we'd hear some more ranting about your rights (that apparently don't apply to Mr. Floyd.)

The public may or may not have the "right" to see the video of the incident but personal phone calls for the previous two days?! One more case where you would be up in arms if anyone wanted records of your personal calls.

Your suggestion that Kenney may not have even committed a traffic infraction that justified McKay's initial stop is reprehensible. While you continue to pay lip service to your support of law enforcement, you're grasping at straws to paint Cpl. McKay in the worst possible light.

Sometimes it is what it is. Ever consider that? Cop stops low-life, low-life tries to flee, cop forces low-life to stop, low-life shoots cop 4 times, passser by tries to assist and ends up shooting low-life.

There aren't always mysterious black helicopters hovering on the horizon.

Christopher King said...

Welll I see since I smoked you on the earlier posts you decided to try to reply to me here, but you've made the same stupid mistakes:

First of all I'm not a "former attorney." I'm still an attorney, and will be one until the day I die. That's why when NH AG Kelly Ayotte writes me a letter that's what she calls me:

http://christopher-king.blogspot.com/2007/03/nh-ag-kelly-ayotte-gives-careful.html

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Next, you've made the same mistake you made before because I made it clear that the comment is from another person who is entitled to his or her opinion, just as you are.

And I don't remove anything from my blawg, unlike those cops at Masscops who one day call Jaffrey Chief Dunn a "slime bag," then the NAACP the "National Association of Asshole-Colored People."

http://christopher-king.blogspot.com/2007/05/kingcast-video-of-day-masscops-rag-on.html

It was this fact that you failed to address last time, remember?

Now to finish breaking my foot off in your ass, the whole point is that the police certainly would have arrested me or anyone else if we had killed anyone other than a cop, and asked questions later.

And again, the main point here is the conclusory "investigation." You and I both know that when the police think they are correct, they release the videos but in this case they've done no such thing.

Which of course leads to a reasonable suggestion that perhaps things did not happen in the way that the police and the AG's offiice imply, duh.

And why is my suggestion that perhaps the stop was bogus (it has happened to me as I've noted elsewhere) anywhere near as reprehensible as your comment calling Mr. Kenney a "low-life."

While you pay lip service to Civil Rights and a free country you've definitely made up your narrow-assed mind.

I'm just saying that the truth is in the tape. Or video, as the case may be.

Which is precisely what the Concord Monitor is saying, fool.

Thanks for coming in; we've got some nice door prizes for you to the left.

Christopher King said...

And let me understand your "argument" more clearly:

Are you taking exception with my major premise, which is, again:

"Let's open a real investigation to clarify things for the sake of the souls of each man and their respective families and the community-at-large."

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Lastly, I love your comment:

"There aren't always mysterious black helicopters hovering on the horizon."

That implies of course that sometimes, there are.

Namaste

Christopher King said...

And oh, yeah, I love the police and the military:

http://christopher-king.blogspot.com/2006/07/kingcast-loves-military.html

Peace.

N., B. Forrest said...

First of all I'm not a "former attorney."

An attorney who's license to practice law is suspended and is not currently working as an attorney = "former attorney". Whether you're allowed to return to the practice of law again remains to be seen now doesn't it?

Why is it you keep harping that you don't remove things from your blog? Where did I ever claim that you did?

...the whole point is that the police certainly would have arrested me or anyone else if we had killed anyone other than a cop, and asked questions later.

Once again, just your opinion of what could happen. Nothing than more blind speculation. But of course things are so clear in that crystal ball of yours that you just know> what would happen don't you?

And why is my suggestion that perhaps the stop was bogus ... anywhere near as reprehensible as your comment calling Mr. Kenney a "low-life."

Cop killer = low-life. My crystal ball can be just as clear as yours!

Now to finish breaking my foot off in your ass ...

OOOOOOOOOH! Key board kung-fu! I'm sure everyone is really impressed!

Christopher King said...

And now to finish you off:

The last time I wrote a letter to NH AG Kelly Ayotte about a police matter, she failed to investigate it:

Dig the action photos of a hater cop holding a secret file on me, and click on "Alison Vachon's" name:

http://christopher-king.blogspot.com/2006/02/sorry-charlie-chief-you-cant-treat.html

And come to find out that sorry-assed Jaffrey Chief Martin Dunn got fired and his sorry-assed Prosecutor Bill Albrecht got drummed out of town under a pending ethics investigation, as noted in my 30 Dec. 2006 Year-in-Review post.

So to paraphrase Mr. Brando again,

"What else you got?"

Christopher King said...

Apparently nothing.

But I've got a letter for NH AG Kelly Ayotte I'll be putting in Word and sending tomorrow, you bet:

http://christopher-king.blogspot.com/2007/05/kingcast-writes-nh-ag-kelly-ayotte-to.html

Peace.

N. B. Forrest said...

"What else you got?"

Oh I've got plenty but it seems pretty pointless to bring it up as you'll just ignore it as you have every point I've made.

Take for example the questions raised in my intial post here. Given that an arrest is made when there is probably cause to believe a crime was committed and to prevent the escape or guarantee the court appearance of the suspect, why on earth is there any reason for you to suggest that Floyd be arrested?

Was Floyd's having a scanner in his car just speculation on your part? Is it illegal in NH to have a scanner in your car? What would your reaction be to someone questioning you having done something that you had every legal right to do?

What would your reaction be to someone expecting records of your private phone calls to be made public?

Don't worry, I don't really expect you to actually answer anything. All we'll hear is (thinly disguised under a veil of supporting law enforcement)more BS speculation insinuating some wrong doing on the part of the Officer who was MURDERED in this incident and probably some more tough guy rhetoric about how you "smoked me" and "broke your foot off in my ass".

Christopher King said...

Again, you have confused the comments of someone else with what I had to say.

What I'm saying is show the goddamn video and clear everything up. When cops know they're right, they produce the videos.

Got that?

N. B. Forrest said...

Again, you have confused the comments of someone else with what I had to say.

And again (as predicted) you've ignored every question I raised.

Christopher King said...

You are demonstrating the intellectual acumen of a two-year-old.

First you call me a "former attorney" then I show you the letter from NH AG Kelly Ayotte that is clearly written to me two months ago: Dear Attorney King.

So you are indeed smoked on that.

And for the third or fourth time, the comments that lead this section are not mine, so I must conclude that the only reason you harp on them is to ignore the very real issues that the Concord Monitor and I are delving into, which is the release of the video.

Again, if the police version of the events is as they say it is, why not remove all doubt to the taxpayers?

And of course you ignored the fact, as documented with actual letters, and deposition testimony, that Attorney Ayotte ignored my complaints about a bad cop (Jaffrey Chief Dunn) who was fired and his prosecutor resigned under an ethics investigation.

I was correct that the State's version of the events was a lie then, so why are you so cocksure that I'm wrong this time, Bubba?

For the umpteenth time, put the video out and clarify everything.

Namaste.

Christopher King said...

Oh, and you might consider the following comment, again not mine, because I don't know Caleb (the man whom Shooter Floyd recklessly endangered).

But this writer apparently does, and this is what they have to say. Are you any closer to the situation than that, and if so, let me know.

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I can answer a couple of your questions Chris and perhaps shed a little more light on this dark filth being spewed by the A.G.. By the way, this is information gathered directly from Caleb Macauly, Liko's passenger. Liko's car was not forced off the road by Mckay. Liko pulled over and stopped voluntarily after the 1.5 mile low speed chase.

Mckay then pulled a u-turn to face Liko's car and rammed it several times to apparently pin them in. At this point Liko was (vocally) fearing for his life. Mckay then approached the car, gun and mace drawn, and without a word he maced the two boys heavily. Liko then fired his gun at Mckay. It was then, with mace in his eyes, that he really panicked, and in a rush to leave the seen he unintentionly ran over the staggering officer pinning him under his car. Within moments of freeing his car from the downed officer, Floyd apeared at Liko's window.

Without any words, yes that's right, without any words Floyd fired several shots, point blank, directly at Liko's chest. Caleb, in a state of shock, thought he too had been struck by a bullet. Then Floyd yelled at Caleb to "PICK UP THE GUN!, PICK UP THE GUN!"(I'll let the reader derive his/her own conclusion there) Caleb then rolled out of the car onto the ground into the fetal position where Floyd proceded to fire shots around his body. Caleb believes the only thing that saved his life was the arrival of another motorist, family friend Cam.

I may as well mention that Caleb was maced two more times that night by the responding officers. Apparently they wanted him to stop shouting, "That bastard murdered Liko! THAT BASTARD MURDERED LIKO!"

Christopher King said...

Oh, yeah Mr. Forrest, is this your boy Floyd here:

A bit more about Shooter Floyd from the Concord Monitor:

The police charged Floyd with criminal threatening. It was during this incident that Floyd told the police how he'd kill them if he chose to - by shooting them in the head and giving them a "third eye."

Upon further checking, the police learned that Floyd's 1991 drug arrest in Georgia was a felony level offense. That, the state police concluded, meant Floyd could not legally own guns in New Hampshire. In June 1997, the state police added a second charge against Floyd: being a felon in possession of firearms.

During that arrest, Floyd attempted to knee Trooper Scot Bryan in the groin, according to court records, and was charged with attempted assault of a police officer.

He pleaded guilty to the attempted assault and received a suspended prison sentence in 1998. The police dismissed the criminal threatening charge, but it was not clear why from court records....


Prolly because he knows somebody.

He seems like a real f*cker to me, Forrest.

Who's going to bet against me?

N. B. Forrest said...

Well all I'm seeing is hearsay. Unsubstantiated allegations from someone who claims to have gotten the information directly from Caleb. (Neat thing about the internet, you can claim just about anything and there is rarely any way to verify it.)

For the record, I actually agree that releasing the video would put the whole question to rest. What I'm sick and tired of is the blatant anti-cop spin you consistently put on the whole thing.

Likewise, it's clear that in your opinion Mr. Floyd doesn't get the benefit of our "innocent until proven guilty" standard. Re-read your own words:

Oh, and you might consider the following comment, again not mine, because I don't know Caleb (the man whom Shooter Floyd recklessly endangered).

Has Floyd been convicted of Reckless Endangerment? Some 2nd hand allegations are enough for you to decide he's guilty until proven innocent because of his past. At the same time of course, Liko Kenney's past isn't a issue. Oh no, there's no double standard here!

Even if (and that's a mighty big IF) McKay did everything that your anonymous source claims, does it justify Kenney shooting him four times in the back?

There are a lot of possibilities you don't want to consider. Perhaps McKay himself got a good hit of pepper spray and was backing away from it's effects. Perhaps his portable radio couldn't reach his dispatcher and he was returning to his cruiser to check on where his backup was coming from, etc. Yes, that's also just speculation but it's just as valid as the speculation that you've been spewing.

My gut tells me that the truth lies somewhere between the initially published version and the "poor Liko was the victim in all this" version that his friends and family want to espouse.

Yes, it all should be cleared up definitively. But it can be done without making a villian out of Cpl. McKay or a hero out of Kenney.

BTW, my name is not "Bubba" and as I haven't done any name calling here I think it's pretty childish of you to.

Christopher King said...

I will respond in seriatim.

Well all I'm seeing is hearsay. Unsubstantiated allegations from someone who claims to have gotten the information directly from Caleb. (Neat thing about the internet, you can claim just about anything and there is rarely any way to verify it.)

.......What we've heard from the police is hearsay too, but you've bought their story haven't you.

For the record, I actually agree that releasing the video would put the whole question to rest. What I'm sick and tired of is the blatant anti-cop spin you consistently put on the whole thing.

.......So now it's anti-cop to consider other possibilities when they refuse to air the video and when many people (read the WMUR forums) are indeed saying that Officer McKay was rude to even professional people and trigger-happy with his mace.

.....I assume then you would say it's anti-patriotic to question the War in Iraq, too, but what you fail to see is that we are born in this country with certain inalienable rights, and my experience in the law, again, on BOTH sides of it, tells me that things need to be questioned, so that's what I do.

Likewise, it's clear that in your opinion Mr. Floyd doesn't get the benefit of our "innocent until proven guilty" standard. Re-read your own words:

Oh, and you might consider the following comment, again not mine, because I don't know Caleb (the man whom Shooter Floyd recklessly endangered).

Has Floyd been convicted of Reckless Endangerment? Some 2nd hand allegations are enough for you to decide he's guilty until proven innocent because of his past. At the same time of course, Liko Kenney's past isn't a issue. Oh no, there's no double standard here!

........Dude, for the 5th or sixth time I'm not saying Liko was an angel or that Officer McKay deserved to die. What I am saying is that Shooter Floyd is not the hero the police and media are making him out to be, and his past with the police is much worse than Liko Kenneys, is it not? Come now.

......As to the "reckless endangerment" standard, fine. That is my opinion. Are you telling me that Caleb is lying about everything, and that Floyd didn't pepper the ground around him with bullets? After all, Floyd clearly has a past that indicates machismo with gunplay does he not?

Even if (and that's a mighty big IF) McKay did everything that your anonymous source claims, does it justify Kenney shooting him four times in the back?

.......Well for about the 90th time, no.

There are a lot of possibilities you don't want to consider. Perhaps McKay himself got a good hit of pepper spray and was backing away from it's effects. Perhaps his portable radio couldn't reach his dispatcher and he was returning to his cruiser to check on where his backup was coming from, etc. Yes, that's also just speculation but it's just as valid as the speculation that you've been spewing.

.........There's no speculation on whether it was a high-speed "chase" if they do very minimal forensic science with the computers in Officer McKays car, a fact you have never addressed.

My gut tells me that the truth lies somewhere between the initially published version and the "poor Liko was the victim in all this" version that his friends and family want to espouse.

..........No one is saying "poor Liko." What we ARE saying is that there is indeed much more than meets the eye as presented by our Chief Legal Executive. Having been through a similar situation involving a bad cop whom Attorney Ayotte supported, you can say I know a bit about how that works. But you haven't addressed any of that, natch.

Yes, it all should be cleared up definitively. But it can be done without making a villian out of Cpl. McKay or a hero out of Kenney.


.......I haven't done either thing. I am however making a villian out of this "process" because the goddamn investigation was truncated.

.......And the only way to do that is to keep the investigation open and to release the video. You are aware that witnesses have said that Liko willingly pulled over, and that McKay battered Liko's car. Hell if I had requested another officer given their history, then I pull over and chill, that sort of conduct would scare the living daylights out of me as well. And if Caleb McCauley testifies under Oath that McKay and Shooter Floyd never even said a word, there's going to be hell to pay, and there should be, right?

........Because that would mean that all the accounts coming from the police, i.e. "put your weapon down" are bullshit.

......And that would be a lie of criminal proportions.


BTW, my name is not "Bubba" and as I haven't done any name calling here I think it's pretty childish of you to.

......No apologies for you. You in fact attempted to malign my character or professionalism by saying "the illustrious former attorney" whereupon I clearly showed you a letter from NH AG Ayotte in which she appropriately writes to me as "Dear Attorney King."

Namaste.

Anonymous said...

Statements from Forrest:


"Moreover, Mr. Floyd isn't going anywhere and can be interviewed any time if there is any need to investigate any further. There is absolutely NO reason to arrest him."

You know this for certain? How would you possibly know what Floyd's plans are?


Comment by Chris-
Did the shooter have a scanner with him in his truck? if so, why?

"Is this just blind speculation on your part? Even if he did, is it illegal in NH to have a scanner in your truck? Of course once again, if you had a scanner in your car and someone wanted to know why we'd hear some more ranting about your rights (that apparently don't apply to Mr. Floyd.)"


You either missed the point or have the intent to distract. If Floyd had a scanner in his car he would have heard the call with the first stop as well as the second, thus putting in question the "innocence" of him passing by.


"Well all I'm seeing is hearsay. Unsubstantiated allegations from someone who claims to have gotten the information directly from Caleb. (Neat thing about the internet, you can claim just about anything and there is rarely any way to verify it.)"


This IS the statement that Caleb gave to the police and the AG did not give us!!!!! How dense can you be? I have heard the exact same story from 3 different people that heard it directly from Caleb. And no Officer Forrest, none were his friends but adults attempting to help him through the trauma. Yes, all of the adults have jobs too and no record with the law. I am sure this is still not good enough for you though. Maybe it would ease your mind to know they are not chicken farmers.


"Has Floyd been convicted of Reckless Endangerment? Some 2nd hand allegations are enough for you to decide he's guilty until proven innocent because of his past. At the same time of course, Liko Kenney's past isn't a issue. Oh no, there's no double standard here!"


I will call this statement an outright LIE. No one has said Liko was an angel or was problem free. No one has pretended his past didn't matter. Our point is, the past does count and not only Liko's but of the other two men as well. We do not excuse his past as you do McKay and Floyd. People are outraged because the state and local authorities want to hide the full picture because this is far more than that night. The history of ALL counts.


"Even if (and that's a mighty big IF) McKay did everything that your anonymous source claims, does it justify Kenney shooting him four times in the back?"

I challenge you to go back and find where anyone has said that it was okay for Liko to kill McKay.

By the way, when Liko was murdered he was shot 4 times - yeah guess cop killers deserve that.


"Yes, it all should be cleared up definitively. But it can be done without making a villian out of Cpl. McKay or a hero out of Kenney."

Look we are trying to level the field with the truth. The state is the one that pulled the hero cop, loser drop-out and brave ex-marine story. We expect it to be called what it really is.

"Sometimes it is what it is. Ever consider that? Cop stops low-life, low-life tries to flee, cop forces low-life to stop, low-life shoots cop 4 times, passser by tries to assist and ends up shooting low-life."


Surely you have the intelligence to know that so many citizens would not be upset if this were the truth. If you don't, you don't want to. There was none of this over Briggs.

Christopher King said...

Dear 10:01:

"There was none of this over Briggs."

....good point.

I just made my argument over the Death Penalty and let it ride. I knew of Briggs because I dated a girl in Manchester at the time he ran into that fire and helped out.

http://christopher-king.blogspot.com/2006/11/kingcast-says-even-piece-of-shit-like.html

Nice response.